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Hopper wrote:
Right. I'll kindly allow, despite the context that suggested otherwise, you meant 'partner' as someone of either gender. That would still include women.
I didn't know 'wife' was common usage in gay relationships. Granted, 'lover' is itself indeterminate.
Universality will be useful when there is equality. There is not equality. Saying, from within the society we have right now, "I should be allowed to hit a woman as I would a man" (which you didn't outright say, but you did quote approvingly back at me as an example of universal morality) is to be violently misogynistic. Even with a slight disclaimer, saying "when there is true equality, I should be allowed to hit a woman as I would a man" is f***ing weird. In the context, it is not a simple statement, but comes with a hell of a lot of misogyny, as though the speaker can't wait til it's legitimate to start smacking women around if they annoy him - indeed, as though the speaker would get a kick he just can't from hitting men in the same context.
Similarly, those white people who are obsessed with wanting to say 'n*gger'. 'But it's just a word' - well then, why obsess over that word?
Yes. Yes we do. And they're f***ing brilliant. Your loss.
I didn't know 'wife' was common usage in gay relationships. Granted, 'lover' is itself indeterminate.
Universality will be useful when there is equality. There is not equality. Saying, from within the society we have right now, "I should be allowed to hit a woman as I would a man" (which you didn't outright say, but you did quote approvingly back at me as an example of universal morality) is to be violently misogynistic. Even with a slight disclaimer, saying "when there is true equality, I should be allowed to hit a woman as I would a man" is f***ing weird. In the context, it is not a simple statement, but comes with a hell of a lot of misogyny, as though the speaker can't wait til it's legitimate to start smacking women around if they annoy him - indeed, as though the speaker would get a kick he just can't from hitting men in the same context.
Similarly, those white people who are obsessed with wanting to say 'n*gger'. 'But it's just a word' - well then, why obsess over that word?
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Yes. Yes we do. And they're f***ing brilliant. Your loss.
Don't forget Puddingmouse. She and I discuss 2nd wave vs. 3rd wave feminism while we paint each other's toenails.
edit: trying to drag this back to the OP: The way that men suffer from abuse is different from the way that women suffer from abuse, because most of the abusers of men are smaller than them and most of the abusers of women are larger than them. This leads to more social stigma in the former case, because men are reluctant to report even valid complaints, and to more physical damage in the latter case, because their partners are more capable of causing harm.
Unfortunately, I do still see a lot of jokes about abuse of both genders; just like rape, this isn't a topic that should perceived as 'funny' unless you're mocking the abuser or the abuse itself.
08 Sep 2012, 6:03 pm
LKL wrote:
Hopper wrote:
Right. I'll kindly allow, despite the context that suggested otherwise, you meant 'partner' as someone of either gender. That would still include women.
I didn't know 'wife' was common usage in gay relationships. Granted, 'lover' is itself indeterminate.
Universality will be useful when there is equality. There is not equality. Saying, from within the society we have right now, "I should be allowed to hit a woman as I would a man" (which you didn't outright say, but you did quote approvingly back at me as an example of universal morality) is to be violently misogynistic. Even with a slight disclaimer, saying "when there is true equality, I should be allowed to hit a woman as I would a man" is f***ing weird. In the context, it is not a simple statement, but comes with a hell of a lot of misogyny, as though the speaker can't wait til it's legitimate to start smacking women around if they annoy him - indeed, as though the speaker would get a kick he just can't from hitting men in the same context.
Similarly, those white people who are obsessed with wanting to say 'n*gger'. 'But it's just a word' - well then, why obsess over that word?
Yes. Yes we do. And they're f***ing brilliant. Your loss.
I didn't know 'wife' was common usage in gay relationships. Granted, 'lover' is itself indeterminate.
Universality will be useful when there is equality. There is not equality. Saying, from within the society we have right now, "I should be allowed to hit a woman as I would a man" (which you didn't outright say, but you did quote approvingly back at me as an example of universal morality) is to be violently misogynistic. Even with a slight disclaimer, saying "when there is true equality, I should be allowed to hit a woman as I would a man" is f***ing weird. In the context, it is not a simple statement, but comes with a hell of a lot of misogyny, as though the speaker can't wait til it's legitimate to start smacking women around if they annoy him - indeed, as though the speaker would get a kick he just can't from hitting men in the same context.
Similarly, those white people who are obsessed with wanting to say 'n*gger'. 'But it's just a word' - well then, why obsess over that word?
Quote:
mod edit: personal attack removed
Yes. Yes we do. And they're f***ing brilliant. Your loss.
Don't forget Puddingmouse. She and I discuss 2nd wave vs. 3rd wave feminism while we paint each other's toenails.
edit: trying to drag this back to the OP: The way that men suffer from abuse is different from the way that women suffer from abuse, because most of the abusers of men are smaller than them and most of the abusers of women are larger than them. This leads to more social stigma in the former case, because men are reluctant to report even valid complaints, and to more physical damage in the latter case, because their partners are more capable of causing harm.
Unfortunately, I do still see a lot of jokes about abuse of both genders; just like rape, this isn't a topic that should perceived as 'funny' unless you're mocking the abuser or the abuse itself.
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