Board index › Topical Discussion › Politics, Philosophy, and Religion

Anyone out there with leftist special interests?

Page 3 of 7 [ 106 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next

Previous topic | Next topic

thomas81
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 May 2012
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,147
Location: County Down, Northern Ireland

09 Nov 2012, 6:36 pm

MarketAndChurch wrote:
thomas81 wrote:

Quote:
Children: reducing mortality

Fact sheet N°178
September 2012
Key facts

6.9 million children under the age of five died in 2011.
More than half of these early child deaths are due to conditions that could be prevented or treated with access to simple, affordable interventions.
Leading causes of death in under-five children are pneumonia, preterm birth complications, diarrhoea, birth asphyxia and malaria. About one third of all child deaths are linked to malnutrition.
Children in sub-Saharan Africa are about 16.5 times more likely to die before the age of five than children in developed regions.


Malnutrition may be a bad bug. Emphasis on "may be"


The point is, the market isnt just denying these kids food.

its also denying them the meds, the doctors attention and the hospital access that westerners take for granted. It isn't down to socialism, or big government intervention. Its down solely to the disproportionate bias of wealth towards a small group of people.

The buick stops entirely with the bankers and the economocrats.



TM
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 3 Feb 2012
Age: 41
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,122

09 Nov 2012, 6:38 pm

thomas81 wrote:
TM wrote:
thomas81 wrote:

I see that and I raise you the 19 000 children that capitalism is starving to death every day, as we speak.


Post proof of that claim please.


Lets be clear, we aren't talking about Socialist Cuba, Venezuela, Laos, China, or even North Korea here. No no, we are talking about places where the verminous economists, bankers, financial speculators, economic hitmen and their neo liberal leckeys in government very much have a hand to play in the day to day affairs of ordinary people.

Free market economics, the dominant ideology of the developing world is the spearhead factor behind poverty in sub saharan africa, ergo they are the primary cause of preventable childhood deaths.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factshee ... index.html

Quote:
Children: reducing mortality

Fact sheet N°178
September 2012
Key facts

6.9 million children under the age of five died in 2011.
More than half of these early child deaths are due to conditions that could be prevented or treated with access to simple, affordable interventions.
Leading causes of death in under-five children are pneumonia, preterm birth complications, diarrhoea, birth asphyxia and malaria. About one third of all child deaths are linked to malnutrition.
Children in sub-Saharan Africa are about 16.5 times more likely to die before the age of five than children in developed regions.



http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 110813.htm

Quote:
bout 90 percent of child deaths worldwide occur in just 42 countries -- and about one-fourth of these deaths occur before age 5 in the poorest countries, such as Angola and Niger.


Yet, 8 million of the 11 million childhood deaths worldwide each year could easily be prevented, says a Cornell University expert, writing in the authoritative medical journal The Lancet . That's because almost 60 percent of deaths of children under 5 in the developing world are due to malnutrition and its interactive effects on preventable diseases.

"Every single day -- 365 days a year -- an attack against children occurs that is 10 times greater than the death toll from the World Trade Center," says Jean-Pierre Habicht, professor of epidemiology and nutritional sciences at Cornell. "We know how to prevent these deaths -- we have the biological knowledge and tools to stop this public health travesty, but we're not yet doing it."

Habicht is a member of the Bellagio Child Survival Study Group, made up of leading child-health researchers, that has authored a series of five articles in The Lancet on how to prevent the global toll on young children. The first article is published in the June 28 issue; the other four will follow in the next four consecutive issues.


Ok, now that you've linked the factual information, you make the argument as to why this is the fault of capitalism.



androbot2084
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Mar 2011
Age: 63
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,447

09 Nov 2012, 6:40 pm

Is socialized medicine a God given right?



thomas81
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 May 2012
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,147
Location: County Down, Northern Ireland

09 Nov 2012, 6:40 pm

TM wrote:

Ok, now that you've linked the factual information, you make the argument as to why this is the fault of capitalism.


The point which you've missed, is that without barely an exception the countries who are afflicted by these high poverty related death rates follow the blessed market economic model that you appraise so highly.



thomas81
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 May 2012
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,147
Location: County Down, Northern Ireland

09 Nov 2012, 6:42 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
Is socialized medicine a God given right?


I believe that the UN charter on human rights says to the effect that access to shelter, medicine, nutrition and education are HUMAN rights.

The point is anything which is required for the sustinence of life, such as medicine should not be commodified in a profit making capacity for a few corporations.



androbot2084
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Mar 2011
Age: 63
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,447

09 Nov 2012, 6:44 pm

It's not the fault of Capitalism per se but rather since ancient medicine was provided from the priestly class medicine should be exempt from capitalism.



DancingDanny
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 24 Sep 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 351

09 Nov 2012, 6:44 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
Is socialized medicine a God given right?


I think I read in another thread that the Israelites had a welfare fund for healthcare. So maybe it is.



MarketAndChurch
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 3 Apr 2011
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,022
Location: The Peoples Republic Of Portland

09 Nov 2012, 6:45 pm

thomas81 wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
thomas81 wrote:

Quote:
Children: reducing mortality

Fact sheet N°178
September 2012
Key facts

6.9 million children under the age of five died in 2011.
More than half of these early child deaths are due to conditions that could be prevented or treated with access to simple, affordable interventions.
Leading causes of death in under-five children are pneumonia, preterm birth complications, diarrhoea, birth asphyxia and malaria. About one third of all child deaths are linked to malnutrition.
Children in sub-Saharan Africa are about 16.5 times more likely to die before the age of five than children in developed regions.


Malnutrition may be a bad bug. Emphasis on "may be"


The point is, the market isnt just denying these kids food.

its also denying them the meds, the doctors attention and the hospital access that westerners take for granted. It isn't down to socialism, or big government intervention. Its down solely to the disproportionate bias of wealth towards a small group of people.

The buick stops entirely with the bankers and the economocrats.


Its the way you frame things that define your reality. "Denying"...??? This is just like DancingDanny's "Throwing money" at businesses. You don't throw money at businesses when you let them keep their profit. And you are not denying them those meds and doctors attentions when they are living life as they have always lived life in the bush...

I come from the bush, I know how hard life is there, but I never felt that I was being denied cable television, running water, electricity, or western medicine just because those in the west had them, and I did not. We ate bugs bro. Life is life, wherever you are... that it is not equal across the board does not necessitate the reasoning that you caused my affect.

Maybe life is just so. Why does poverty puzzle you? It bothers you as it does me, but it doesn't puzzle me.


_________________
It is not up to you to finish the task, nor are you free to desist from trying.


androbot2084
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Mar 2011
Age: 63
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,447

09 Nov 2012, 6:49 pm

Ancient Israel had socialized medicine . Tithes or a ten percent tax were paid to the priests who were in charge of healthcare.



thomas81
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 May 2012
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,147
Location: County Down, Northern Ireland

09 Nov 2012, 6:49 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
It's not the fault of Capitalism per se but rather since ancient medicine was provided from the priestly class medicine should be exempt from capitalism.



The profit motive isn't just failing the human fight against hunger, but also against disease.

Capitalism, contrary to what its proponents would have you believe is stifling the progress of medical science.

The pharmaceuticals are bankrolled by governments to find new vaccines. Once these illesses are cured, the role of pharmaceuticals become redundant. From their perspective, its more profitable to have lifelong patients with terminal ailments in reciept of repeat prescriptions than giving them an outright cure.

Thats why capitalism will never, ever, ever, ever deliver cures for things like AIDS or cancer. These bastards are terrified of having their funding cut.

Government: ''hey hows that new AIDS cure coming on"

Pharmaceutical giant "We're still workin' on it, we just need an extra few billion wired to us and we think we can nail it in a few months...."

A FEW MONTHS LATER

Government: hey hows that new AIDS cure coming on"

Pharmaceutical giant "We're still workin' on it, we just need a...."



Last edited by thomas81 on 09 Nov 2012, 6:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.

DancingDanny
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 24 Sep 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 351

09 Nov 2012, 6:52 pm

There is denial of service because they do not have the money to pay for it. Wide scale vaccination programs in those areas are simply impossible without government intervention because if nobody has cash then they aren't getting the shot.

Yes, saying that we're throwing the money at them is a poor choice of words. There's still the truth that the entire job creator argument is presupposition.



androbot2084
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Mar 2011
Age: 63
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,447

09 Nov 2012, 6:52 pm

The worlds best Doctor was homeless.



thomas81
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 May 2012
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,147
Location: County Down, Northern Ireland

09 Nov 2012, 6:57 pm

Quote:

Maybe life is just so. Why does poverty puzzle you? It bothers you as it does me, but it doesn't puzzle me.


Poverty doesn't puzzle me, because i know the causes.

What puzzles me is libertarian sociopathy and their contempt for their fellow human beings.



androbot2084
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Mar 2011
Age: 63
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,447

09 Nov 2012, 7:02 pm

Libertarianism would be required to make communism work but Libertarianism is not required to make a mixed economy work.



thomas81
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 May 2012
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,147
Location: County Down, Northern Ireland

09 Nov 2012, 7:06 pm

No, communism needs technocracy to work.

You can't have a classless society while menial work is still carried out by human beings.

The most vile part of the Price System is Taylorism, or as it otherwise known, Scientific management.



androbot2084
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Mar 2011
Age: 63
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,447

09 Nov 2012, 7:09 pm

You just have the elites perform the menial tasks.