Question for Zionists
GGPViper wrote:
Raymond_Fawkes wrote:
Tequila wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
Israel is a flawed democracy rather than a full democracy (the press freedom there is somewhat poorer than that of Europe, Canada or the US), but the Arabs are probably halting the development a bit.
Yet the Arabs living in Israel have full and equal rights as Israeli citizens. They can vote and elect Arab members of parliament that call for the destruction of Israel.
Would that kind of nonsense be tolerated in most Arab countries? I think not.
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1. Did you know that non-Jewish Israelis cannot buy or lease land in Israel? A Jew from any country in the world is guaranteed citizenship in Israel, while the Palestinians who have been there for centuries are oppressed and persecuted.
2. Did you know that instead of sewing an insignia on clothing to distinguish race (like the Germans did to the Jews before WW2), Palestinian license plates in Israel are color coded to distinguish Jews from non-Jews?
3. Did you know that East Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights are all considered by the entire world community, including the United States and the United Nations, to be occupied territory and NOT part of the State of Israel?
4. Did you know that Israel allots 85% of the water resources for Jews, and the remaining 15% is divided among all Palestinians in the territories? For example in Hebron, 85% of the water is set aside for about 400 Jewish settlers, while the remaining 15% is distributed among Hebron's 120, 000 Palestinians?
5. Did you know that the United States awards Israel $11 billion in aid each year from American tax dollars?
6. Did you know that US aid to Israel ($11 billion annually) exceeds the aid the US grants to the entire African continent? This aid is used both to buy American weaponry and to buy arms made in Israel.
7. Did you know that Israel is awaiting an additional $4 billion worth of American military hardware, including new F-16s and Apache and Blackhawk helicopters. As Israel's main ally and supporter internationally, the United States is committed to maintaining the Jewish state's "qualitative edge" in weapons over its neighbors.
8. Did you know that the U.S. administration has notified Congress on numerous occasions that Israel has violated the rules on how US-supplied weapons are used? (In 1978, 1979 and 1982 during fighting in Lebanon, and once after Israel's bombing of an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981.)
9. Did you know that Israel is the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections from its sites?
10. Did you know that high-ranking military officers in the Israeli Defense Forces have admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war have been summarily executed by the Israeli forces?
11. Did you know that Israel blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a US warship in international waters (the USS Liberty), killing 33 and wounding 177 American sailors and the US did nothing about it?
12. Did you know that Israel stands in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council Resolutions?
13. Did you know that Israel is explicitly dedicated to the policy of maintaining a distinct Jewish character?
14. Did you know that Israel's ex Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, was found by an Israeli court to be "personally and directly responsible" for the Sabra and Shatilla massacre in Lebanon where more than a thousand innocent Palestinian men, women, and children were axed to death or lined up and shot in cold blood?
15. Did you know that on May 20, 1990, a group of unarmed Palestinian laborers were lined up and murdered by an Israeli solider as they sat waiting for transportation back to Gaza? The terrified laborers who gathered in an area of southern Israel known as Rishon Lezion (known to Palestinians by its Arabic name Oyon Qara) handed their ID cards to the Israeli soldier. The soldiers ordered the distressed laborers to kneel down and face the ground and unexpectedly showered them with a barrage of bullets, killing seven and wounding many others. Needless to say, the soldier was not charged with any crime.
16. Did you know that until as recently as 1988, Israelis were permitted to run "Jews Only" job ads?
17. Did you know that the Israeli Foreign Ministry pays six US public relations firms to promote a "positive image" of Israel to the American public?
18. Did you know that Sharon's coalition government includes a party--Molodet--which advocates ethnic cleansing by openly calling for the forced expulsion of all Palestinians from the occupied territories?
19. Did you know that recently-declassified documents indicate that David Ben-Gurion approved of the forced expulsion of Arabs from all Palestininan territory in 1948?
20. Did you know that the former chief rabbi of Israel, Rabbi Ovadia Yossef, who is also a founder and spiritual leader of the religious Shas party (Israel's third largest political party) openly advocates a 'Final Solution' to annihilate the Palestinians? Speaking at the widely broadcast sermon marking the last Passover, he declared of the Palestinians: "The Lord shall return their deeds on their own heads, waste their seed and exterminate them, devastate them and vanish them from this world. It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable."
I found this on the web.. kind of funny how you said Arabs have full and equal rights.
Source? "The web" is a bit... well, diffuse...
I've googled some of them, and it's true. I'm also asking my Israeli friend right now, asked him about the license plates and he said it's true. Asked him about Palestinians buying land and he said its true too. That's all I need to know.
GGPViper wrote:
MDD123 wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
MDD123 wrote:
I don't think either side is free of blame, but I'm positive that relocating Israel to a U.S. territory would fix the problem. We could easily double their territory by giving them part of alaska, or just pick the state that wants to secede and let them secede to Israel. If we paid to ship all of their goods ourselves, I doubt we'd exceed what we already give them for their defense.
And what if the citizens of Israel don't want to leave?
What if the U.S. gets tired of sending Israel foreign aid?
Then the GDP of Israel would drop by 1.2 percent, and the US federal expenditures would drop by 0.08 percent.
Now, I answered your question. Care to answer mine?
It would be better for Israel is the U.S. stops its foreign aid (so-called) Actually the money is a stealth subsidy to U.S. Corporations because Israel turns around and spends the money for goods (mostly military) purchased from U.S. firms or the U.S. directly.
ruveyn
Mikkel wrote:
30 mostly lies or at best half truths.
ruveyn
ruveyn wrote:
Mikkel wrote:
30 mostly lies or at best half truths.
ruveyn
I've just gone through some of them, they aren't lies.
Raymond_Fawkes wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Mikkel wrote:
30 mostly lies or at best half truths.
ruveyn
I've just gone through some of them, they aren't lies.
Any Palestinian or Arab resident/citizen of Israel is free to leave.
If the Israelis were determined to wipe out the Palestinians they would have done it 30 years ago.
ruveyn
ruveyn wrote:
Raymond_Fawkes wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Mikkel wrote:
30 mostly lies or at best half truths.
ruveyn
I've just gone through some of them, they aren't lies.
Any Palestinian or Arab resident/citizen of Israel is free to leave.
If the Israelis were determined to wipe out the Palestinians they would have done it 30 years ago.
ruveyn
I really don't think they would. If this were the 1600's, sure. They wouldn't be noticed then, but the whole world is watching. Israel wants to look good as if it's the real victim, when it's not.. It's been aggressively expanding into Palestine for decades now, with no end in sight.
Raymond_Fawkes wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Mikkel wrote:
30 mostly lies or at best half truths.
ruveyn
I've just gone through some of them, they aren't lies.
Yes, some of them are properly true, now search the Internet for stories from the other side and then try to find impartial sites. Then use suspension of judgment.
Then when you run either side tell them to do the same, listen as hard to the other side, study history and start anew
Mikkel wrote:
Well... It *did* seem suspicious that someone could respond with 20 very specific points only 26 minutes after Tequila's post.
From the site:
http://www.missionislam.com/nwo/index.htm
"The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. This is a secret document which was written by the Zionists at the end of the 19th century. It later fell into the wrong hands and was summarily exposed. The Zionists, in an attempt to cover up, labelled the document as a hoax and the poor Russian publisher as a liar. However, some interesting thing to notice are: The Protocols and their aims correspond to what the Messenger (saws)prophesised about the coming of a group of people who would pave the way for Dajjal...These aims of the Protocols have begun to occur already in the world. Aims like excessive adultery, homosexuality, pursuing the desires of this world, ignorance, crime, etc. The Zionists mean to use these methods to control and corrupt society."
This almost justifies a facepalm from the Picard itself.
GGPViper wrote:
Then the GDP of Israel would drop by 1.2 percent, and the US federal expenditures would drop by 0.08 percent.
To be honest, that would probably be a good thing for both countries. It would help to deal with the arguments about Israel being dependent on the U.S. I'm sure that Israel is more than capable of standing on her own two feet.
GGPViper wrote:
"The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. This is a secret document which was written by the Zionists at the end of the 19th century. It later fell into the wrong hands and was summarily exposed. The Zionists, in an attempt to cover up, labelled the document as a hoax and the poor Russian publisher as a liar. However, some interesting thing to notice are: The Protocols and their aims correspond to what the Messenger (saws)prophesised about the coming of a group of people who would pave the way for Dajjal...These aims of the Protocols have begun to occur already in the world. Aims like excessive adultery, homosexuality, pursuing the desires of this world, ignorance, crime, etc. The Zionists mean to use these methods to control and corrupt society."
This almost justifies a facepalm from the Picard itself.
This almost justifies a facepalm from the Picard itself.
Whoops!
GGPViper wrote:
Mikkel wrote:
Well... It *did* seem suspicious that someone could respond with 20 very specific points only 26 minutes after Tequila's post.
From the site:
http://www.missionislam.com/nwo/index.htm
"The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. This is a secret document which was written by the Zionists at the end of the 19th century. It later fell into the wrong hands and was summarily exposed. The Zionists, in an attempt to cover up, labelled the document as a hoax and the poor Russian publisher as a liar. However, some interesting thing to notice are: The Protocols and their aims correspond to what the Messenger (saws)prophesised about the coming of a group of people who would pave the way for Dajjal...These aims of the Protocols have begun to occur already in the world. Aims like excessive adultery, homosexuality, pursuing the desires of this world, ignorance, crime, etc. The Zionists mean to use these methods to control and corrupt society."
This almost justifies a facepalm from the Picard itself.
What if I said the Israelis and the Palestinians equally have a right to their own viable state?
GGPViper wrote:
Then the GDP of Israel would drop by 1.2 percent, and the US federal expenditures would drop by 0.08 percent.
Now, I answered your question. Care to answer mine?
Now, I answered your question. Care to answer mine?
Then we'd keep our money and our excess land, and Israel can continue to defend and react using its own resources.
Mikkel wrote:
What if I said the Israelis and the Palestinians equally have a right to their own viable state?
I agree in principle, if peace - real peace (i.e. and not simply using the new Palestinian state to step up attacks on a vulnerable and compromised Israel) - occurs. Most Israelis would say the same thing - they would love to see a two-state solution, but most Palestinians don't really want that. They want to wipe out Israel.
MDD123 wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
Then the GDP of Israel would drop by 1.2 percent, and the US federal expenditures would drop by 0.08 percent.
Now, I answered your question. Care to answer mine?
Now, I answered your question. Care to answer mine?
Then we'd keep our money and our excess land, and Israel can continue to defend and react using its own resources.
Which is basically what they are doing today. Defending and reacting.
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