Here Is What Louisiana Schoolchildren Learn About Evolution

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Creationism is not a theory. It provides no means to test or falsify it. It brings no actual useful hypothesis.

It is unfair to the world of theories to call Creationism a theory.

Evolution is a theory, it is also a very well tested and confirmed theory, which means that it is also a scientific fact. It will remaining a scientific fact if/when we find evidence that contradicts it. At that moment, we will either update evolution or find a different theory that fits the previous and new evidence. But so far, we are certain and understand evolution better than gravity.

Is it not funny that the trend towards poverty in the US coincides with its trend towards religious extremism?

That looks delicious! You will have to share your chevon recipes.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Bible Belt, where separation of church and state is unenforced because of ignorance.

I have GOT to get of of this place, and fast.

Bon Voyage.

ruveyn

That may be, but the Chinese people that Americans or Europeans are likely to encounter are those based in Shanghai, Beijing, Hong Kong, and other large, increasingly Westernised Cities. Just like in the west, it is the people who live in economic centres who are most likely to have jobs that involve international trade.

Comparing two points of view without support for either. It seems like a reading class.

Here we live with dinosaurs, for the alligator has a family history going back over 100 million years. They do not stay in the water, can rise up and run on all four, and look like their fossil ancestors. A further development of hind legs, a T Rex. They also live forever, the record was 27 foot. That was a while ago.

We also have fin fish that can breathe air, tchopic, that go back hundreds of millions of years, and snapping turtles four foot long with spikes on their shells. The Alligator Gar is too plated to chop up with an axe, with a mouth full of very pointed teeth, and also lives forever, but hardly seen over ten or twelve foot. Forever is in human terms, 500-1000 years seems possible.

So we live with them, and since gators became protected by people who live in New York City, ten to twelve foot, 300 to 500 pounds, have become common.

Gradual change over long periods of time into improved species was decreed by the Queen of England just after the French Revolution. The two schools of Geology were gradual, and God like sudden change, which the geologic record supports. The Queen said no, all change will be gradual.

I see that we as a people are being insulted by those of low reading comprahension. I see and unbiased reading exercize about two points of view.

There are other views, for one, our gators, big turtles, lung fish, can be ducumented way back, and have not evolved at all. Go ahead, say it, that is because they live in Louisiana.

New species seem to just appear, like the hairless ground ape, that has no missing link. By Evolution, there should be a whole chain of slightly changed versions, but what is found is not likely even the same species.

This points to sudden change and at the least Mutation being the driving force. Something being made from something else, that is vastly different.

This is found in the fossil record, as Radiation Events, when one species suddenly mutates in many directions, and some of the new lines survive. They are not long periods of gradual change, They are explosive one time events.

Evolution had the perfection of modern man being the result of erectus becoming neanderthal, then Cro Magnon, but genetics shows we are not related to erectus, and were breeding with denisovans and neanderthal. All of these existed 25,000 years ago, and had a long overlap before then.

Our closest modern family is Austrailia native. That stopped changing when it went into isolation, but modern Europeans who were the same people 50,000 years ago, have changed drastically. By the rules of Evolution, there should be gradual change in the record, but we are all identical to the first modern humans of 125,000 years ago.

They had no ancestors, and by evolution 40,000 years is not much time.

Evolution and religion are both built on faith, and both ignor the evidence.

So some things evolve, when we are not watching, but those who we have living versions of, and a fossil record, do not evolve because we are watching, which is starting to sound like The New Physics.

Modern humans evolved from Lucy of 3.1 Million years before, with nothing between. This calls for a time machine to work. Then they evolved into Cro Magnon with a 1600 cc brain, then devolved to 1200cc, even when evolution is based on slowly increasing brain size, and greater intelligence.

Having a smaller brain and less intelligence does seem to be favored by current evolution claiming to be science, and faith claiming to be religion.

The perfection is illusory. Evolution is contingent and on the average evolution keeps survivors in reasonable close compatibility with the environment. It is the Blind Watchmaker at work.

ruveyn

Is this to say that you were taught creationism and not evolution in public schools?
I went to public schools in the north and south and we were taught evolution.

PS: If you look it's not hard to find several cities and areas in the south that are cosmopolitan and diverse enough for you.
And the "bible belt" does loop outside of the south. I can assure you that it extends well into Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Indiana, not necessarily in that order.....

Perry ain't that bad. We learned evolution in biology, and I wasn't traumatized by it. Plus our state's economy is doing well.

This is the fallacy of the middle. That the middle point between two points of view is "good". This is clearly a fallacy because, specially in the scientific world, some points of view are not worth the same as others.

Creationism is not even a theory. It provides no hypothesis. No means to be verified. No useful conclusions for innovating technology. It is basically just BS based on what some people would like the world to be. From a scientific point of view, it is worth 0%. From my point of view, it should be worth -100% because it is utter BS.

Evolution is a theory which provides many ways to falsify it. And was verified multiple times. Our current theory of evolution was all due to very hard work by a biologist and explorer that worked very hard studying animals to come up with it. It is metal solid, and in fact, its knowledge was already useful for us in regards to antibiotics and stuff.

In the discussion between evolution and creationism. Giving evolution any less value than 100% of the worth and creationism anything more than 0% would be dishonest and biased towards an idea that turns out to be wrong and childish.

I'd like to thank you for your post because it shows really how little care Creationists who brag about how "Evolution is based on faith as much as Creationism" put into actually understanding evolution before deciding to be against it.


As your own post claims, the alligators are not dinosaurs. Gator species out-age dinosaurs by far.

In fact, current evidence points that Dinosaurs had feathers and were warm blooded. If you want something similar to a dinosaur living with us, alligators are not the answer. For something that is very close to a dinosaur, look no further than the fat creature Americans ate in huge scale yesterday.

Existence of dinosaurs in current time would not dismiss the theory of evolution though. It would only dismiss the theory that they were extinct.

But if you want to find a dinosaur, look no further than at that stuff Americans ate yesterday.

Lame.

I think this is quite telling about the level of knowledge you currently have. For one is the assumption that if a species does not evolve for a long time, it must mean evolution is false. For that, you need a strong lack of understanding of what the theory of evolution actually is.

The theory of evolution is a framework to explain the differentiation of species and also provides simple natural laws to explain the varying complexity of life. How ? Easy, reproduction, mutation and natural selection. The traits that are most fit to the environment tend to stay in the gene pool while those that are not tend not to. This allows a species to adapt to environmental changes. And also possible to branch out in multiple species.

If a species "does not evolve", it would say nothing about the correctness of the theory of evolution. But it would mean that the environment in which the species lives has not changed, or that the current traits of the species are so versatile that it can adapt to plenty of environments.

The real unfortunate thing about your post is that, in fact, gators, turtles and lung fish have evolved through out all these years. For example, we can count about 260 different turtle species, between those turtles kids have as pets, the now extinct gallapagos, the sea turtle, the crocodile turtle (which evolved a bite).

Evolution does not have any intention. It does not lead to perfection, and things do not stop evolving.

One of the most obvious misunderstandings of science is when anyone mentions a missing link as a way to disprove evolution.

This is unfortunate, because evolution has already been verified. With the current state of evidence in favor of evolution, the lack of a missing link just means that we have not found it or that we do not understand the chain very well yet or that there was a leap.


More radical misunderstandings of the theory of evolution. Like I mentioned, the theory of evolution explains differentiation and complexity.

What happens is that there are many theories based off evolution. One of them is the evolution of man.

Science updates itself (as opposed to religion. In fact, this shows that science/evolution are the opposite of being faith based). As new evidence comes. As you can see, it updated itself when the evidence about that Australian relative came. Who knows what else will happen.

But the thing is that Ocam's razor tells us this:
- We have witnessed evolution in laboratories even. It is true. It is scientific fact.
- There is no reason to believe evolution does not happen in regards to organs. No mechanism that would stop it working in macro scale. And in fact, we have plenty of evidence throughout many different species, including humans of vestigial organs. (And before you come and say something about vestigial organs having an use, NO, the definition of a vestigial organ does not require that it had no use. So please learn a bit more).
- There are evidences of complex chains found in our current fossil records. So we know macro evolution did happen in plenty of species.
- Ergo, Ocam's razor tells us that humans, like all animals, must have evolved from a previous ancestor. In fact, our DNA gives us away, because we seem to use the same genetic code as flies and plants...







This is non-sense.

Evolution is a theory. It was a falsifiable theory. It made predictions and the predictions that we were able to verify turned out to be correct. There is at the moment zero evidence against the theory of evolution and plenty of evidence for it.

29+ evidences for evolution

I was taught evolution in the State of Georgia, but not without protest from some of the more religious students. Of course, the Bible Belt does loop into some of the more right-leaning states north of the Mason-Dixon line, and even has somewhat of an exclave known as Utah. No matter where you go in the South, even in larger cities, one or more southern protestant denominations will have their hands in the cookie jar of politics.

it may be just my opinion but Creationism AND Evolution, dont belong in science classes. I believe both are beliefs, because as far as I know both cant be 100 percent proven. Besides that, alot of people believe in things because theyre scared, so they create something in their heads and say its fact. Some can prove such facts, and sometimes this eventually becomes to be considered science?
I could be wrong.(after all what I wrote is my opinion, and not fact, unless its been proven through experiments time and time again to be correct?)

Evolution is a testable and evidentiary supported scientific theory. If you object to teaching the theory of evolution then object to teaching chemistry, physics and mathematics. When has anyone ever -seen- an atom?

ruveyn

- Newton mechanics are proven false, yet we teach them in science classes.
- Gravity is far from being understood well. In fact, our knowledge of gravity is far more dubious than Evolution's.
- No scientific fact is 100% proven. Science's basic principle is that if you show us evidence, it will change its mind. But evolution remains a scientific fact.

Evolution is a theory, creationism is NOT a theory. The comparison is completely unfair. Because creationism is utter BS that is not even wrong. It is nothing, really. Nothing but a few of arguments in the form "I'd really like origin to be this way, ergo it is that way". Instead, evolution has been tested. It made plenty of predictions that were proven correct. We have even witnessed it in labs.

The equivalence between creationism and evolution as just beliefs is utter non-sense.
Evolution has been proven.

Has evolution been 100 percent proven? Has anything for that matter been proven 100 percent to be true?
and to answer your question about the atom, under certain microscopes or at least the effects/evidence that they(the atom) exist(s).