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24 Jan 2013, 2:16 pm

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^^^Do you live in the arctic? I think not you will deal with not only subzero temps up to negative 80 but no sunlight for months at a time!


Aside from a few of my days off in which I'm actually able to be awake during the day, I have been dealing with an almost total lack of sunlight since around April of last year.



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24 Jan 2013, 2:21 pm

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Can you ask a wild animal to not eat meat? They kill animals for food and in some fairly gruesome ways. How are humans any different?


http://creation.com/the-lion-that-wouldnt-eat-meat

Whine about the source if you want, it's still an example.



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24 Jan 2013, 2:44 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Can you ask a wild animal to not eat meat? They kill animals for food and in some fairly gruesome ways. How are humans any different?


http://creation.com/the-lion-that-wouldnt-eat-meat

Whine about the source if you want, it's still an example.


An example of what? A sick animal?



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24 Jan 2013, 3:06 pm

Jacoby wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Can you ask a wild animal to not eat meat? They kill animals for food and in some fairly gruesome ways. How are humans any different?


http://creation.com/the-lion-that-wouldnt-eat-meat

Whine about the source if you want, it's still an example.


An example of what? A sick animal?


The answer to that is in bold.



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24 Jan 2013, 3:12 pm

the animal didn't ask it was trained to eat plants



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24 Jan 2013, 3:14 pm

How are humans supposed to live in Alaska on a vegetarian diet? Meat eating is an adaptation to environment. I do generally agree we should eat less meat, and of course if you do feel strongly about animal welfare or whatever and don't wish to eat meat, fine. But meat is a convenient source of lots of vitamins and minerals. Yes, you could food combine all kinds of various foods, but that's not really natural or possible a lot of the time unless you live in today's environment where you can import all sorts of various foods from all over the world. Again, depending on climate, too, veganism or vegetarianism is impossible naturally, as I pointed out in Alaska. The Orthodox Church, which actually mandates you being vegan for like 1/3 of the year with fast days, had to actually take them out for Alaska.

Meat eating is an adaptation. You brought up scripture before, scripturally, yes, Adam and Eve were originally only told to eat of the plants. But then after their curse, God killed an animal for them to have clothes. Then after the flood with Noah, God told Noah he could eat any of the animals, just not drink their blood. The world is sinful, and yeah, eating meat sorta does "miss the mark" so to speak. It's not ideal, but due to the world not being ideal, it's something that's done for our survival. If you can find ways around it, and not do it, more power to you, but to judge everyone else for their meat eating is very bad and self righteous as all hell. Even Saint Paul warned against doing exactly this:

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14 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.


As far as me personally, yeah, I find it somewhat sad animals have to die. But, I've butchered fish myself, went to the Islamic market to buy meat and seen them pull out whole skinned goats with their heads still on, go to the Asian market and see whole pigs and ducks roasting, it doesn't phase me really. I have cats, as a kid, my cats were outdoor cats and I had a big property. My cats would kill stuff all the time. "Look at the cute bluebird!" And then my cat would kill it. I was exposed to the "circle of life" kinda early and in real form. Yeah, most people in our society if they did have to be exposed to meat and how it was prepared probably wouldn't eat it. My friend went to Kenya for example, on a missions trip. He and a bunch of people from his church went to someone's house. They were honored guests, so they killed a chicken for them to eat. The wife in the household grabbed a chicken with her bare hands, and chopped it's head off with a machete right in front of the church. People were crying and whatever, my friend, similar in outlook and life experience as me, was pretty unphased and was telling them it was the best chicken he's ever tasted and the other teenage girls on the trip were crying about it. In that case, if you legitimately cannot handle the reality of what you're eating, then you're right in not eating it.



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24 Jan 2013, 3:15 pm

that's an interesting video about protein. i didn't know how little we need!! ! but she is only talking about *any* proteins and not *complete* proteins. complete proteins are much harder to obtain and are a big reason why i am not a vegetarian. there are not many legumes i can digest properly, and not many vegetables i can taste without gagging (or boiling to mush first to destroy the flavour).


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24 Jan 2013, 3:33 pm

Ramba_Ral wrote:
the animal didn't ask it was trained to eat plants


Diet is learned, and that lion lived for nine years on a vegetarian diet. If it weren't for pneumonia, it probably would have lived much longer.



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24 Jan 2013, 3:35 pm

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that's an interesting video about protein. i didn't know how little we need!! ! but she is only talking about *any* proteins and not *complete* proteins. complete proteins are much harder to obtain and are a big reason why i am not a vegetarian. there are not many legumes i can digest properly, and not many vegetables i can taste without gagging (or boiling to mush first to destroy the flavour).


Yeah, legumes plus grains in most cases to have all the essential amino acids. Sorry you're unable to digest many legumes properly.



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24 Jan 2013, 3:42 pm

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How are humans supposed to live in Alaska on a vegetarian diet?


Gee, I don't know. How about using technology to build greenhouses with grow lights, or shipping food in if one is unwilling or unable to grow the food themselves? How is anyone to live anywhere other than the tropics if they must rely only upon what they're born with - apart from their minds that is, since nobody seems to be able to figure out anyway to do things but only problems with doing things that they don't care to do.



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24 Jan 2013, 3:44 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
1000Knives wrote:
How are humans supposed to live in Alaska on a vegetarian diet?


Gee, I don't know. How about using technology to build greenhouses with grow lights, or shipping food in if one is unwilling or unable to grow the food themselves? How is anyone to live anywhere other than the tropics if they must rely only upon what they're born with - apart from their minds that is, since nobody seems to be able to figure out anyway to do things but only problems with doing things that they don't care to do.

that's true - i think most of the animal meat isn't hunted locally in alaska anyways, but probably shipped in from farms in the south. it is a guess though


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24 Jan 2013, 3:49 pm

As my father used to be a butcher, I actually grew up getting accustomed to seeing animals slaughtered for food. The old fashioned way.

It was obviously brutal what those poor animals had to go through.



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24 Jan 2013, 3:59 pm

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Meat eating is an adaptation. You brought up scripture before, scripturally, yes, Adam and Eve were originally only told to eat of the plants. But then after their curse, God killed an animal for them to have clothes. Then after the flood with Noah, God told Noah he could eat any of the animals, just not drink their blood. The world is sinful, and yeah, eating meat sorta does "miss the mark" so to speak. It's not ideal, but due to the world not being ideal, it's something that's done for our survival. If you can find ways around it, and not do it, more power to you, but to judge everyone else for their meat eating is very bad and self righteous as all hell. Even Saint Paul warned against doing exactly this:
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14 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.


Permissible doesn't equal beneficial, and I would prefer the original design to be more in effect than out of practice. And, no, that doesn't mean that I want everything to be "natural" and everyone to be naked or any such nonsense. God said to fill the Earth and subdue it, right along with the original mandate of vegetarianism - implying that it was not necessary to kill or be tyrants over the animals while doing so. Learning the laws of physics and the other sciences necessary to spread over the globe and turn wasteland into useful land doesn't require the butchering of innocent creatures. Prior to the necessary technology to inhabit lands like Antarctica as it is today, there would have still been plenty of land elsewhere. Hey, prior to the splitting of the continents, how much percentage of land was actually within arctic latitudes? Yes, plenty of people do what they have to do, or at least what they *think* that they have to do, in order to survive, but still, what is done to the rest of the living creatures on this world is simply horrible and deserving of judgment - whether by men or by God. Permission is one thing, but in such excess and in such horrid manners as are performed upon millions of lives every year is just plain wrong. Hey though, if you want to eat food sacrificed to idols, that's your business though.



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24 Jan 2013, 4:02 pm

MCalavera wrote:
As my father used to be a butcher, I actually grew up getting accustomed to seeing animals slaughtered for food. The old fashioned way.

It was obviously brutal what those poor animals had to go through.


I'm sorry to hear that. I'm supposing the desensitization process took a while longer for you than most who don't even truly seem to realize where meat comes from (even though they know it like they might know the numerical value of the distance between the Earth and the moon, but don't realize how far it is away to the same extent as the Apollo astronauts.)



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24 Jan 2013, 4:02 pm

If you think about it, God could've easily not allow any living being to be so hungry for meat.



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24 Jan 2013, 4:08 pm

Jesus at the very least is documented eating fish, and probably lamb during Passover also.