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01 Feb 2013, 5:03 pm

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Well, "car control" also bans certain types of cars. But people see it as reasonable, since any legitimate purpose that a dodgy car could be used for, a safe car could also be used for.


It's worth pointing out that the situation in Northern Ireland regarding guns is a lot different (and a lot more liberal than in Great Britain). Pistols are owned by a lot of people there - often ex-police/army/prison officers - for personal protection reasons whereas in Great Britain it's illegal to have a gun for that reason.



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01 Feb 2013, 5:34 pm

There's only 200 people in my suburb. :)

I'd say about half of the men own at least one firearm going with my talks with the small police station down at the closest town which is 10 minutes away at 100 KPH/60 MPH (40 acre blocks are norm where I am). The only crime that's happened here is robbery by criminals living outside of such. There's never been a murder here in over 100 years.

It's safe as anything, apart from the self-propelled landmines called Eastern Brown Snakes (fine as long as you don't stand on them). Dumped dogs do form packs though, and they can kill livestock and pets. There's a bounty on them here.



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01 Feb 2013, 5:47 pm

Declension wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
People who live in countries with strong gun control, would you emigrate for the right to have weapons?


I'll answer the question with a question.

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People who live in countries which require car registration, would you emigrate for the right to own a car?


I meant in the sense of weapons that are restricted by the gun controls. The countries that have strong gun gun controls usually restrict on type of weapon, as well as the amount of paperwork.

Shoud've made that clearer. I was just making a glib reversal of this thread: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt222521.html To make a point that not everyone on here is American and has the same gun culture.

I admit I didn't word the post well.



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01 Feb 2013, 6:08 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
you really like the big bores.you should hunt black bear in maine


I also like full bore 12 gauge slugs (that's...18.5mm. Big, big chunk of lead). :)

That'd require a plane trip, and I have a profound fear of planes. :)



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01 Feb 2013, 6:38 pm

Tequila wrote:
It's worth pointing out that the situation in Northern Ireland regarding guns is a lot different.


Please, let's not talk about N.Ireland. It's whole a bag of worms up there.



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01 Feb 2013, 6:41 pm

Dillogic wrote:
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you really like the big bores.you should hunt black bear in maine


I also like full bore 12 gauge slugs (that's...18.5mm. Big, big chunk of lead). :)

That'd require a plane trip, and I have a profound fear of planes. :)
they use those slugs to hunt deer in masssachusetts because they dont allow rifles,although mass does allow centerfire rifles for black bear and rimfire rifles for coyote's.

where are you from then just out curiosity.you have said you live in oz but i dont know what that is


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01 Feb 2013, 6:43 pm

J-Greens,

What do you say to suburbs and towns that have high rates of firearms ownership, but have little to no crime (like where I live now), just as other suburbs and towns with low firearms ownership have little or no crime (where I've also lived when younger)?

I'm curious there. It seems like the firearms have zero bearing.



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01 Feb 2013, 6:44 pm

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where are you from then just out curiosity.you have said you live in oz but i dont know what that is


Australia. We have boar, deer (red mainly), buffalo (water), camel, crocs, goat and many of the small feral animals to hunt (rabbit and fox). That's if hunting is your thing.



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01 Feb 2013, 7:50 pm

Dillogic wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
where are you from then just out curiosity.you have said you live in oz but i dont know what that is


Australia. We have boar, deer (red mainly), buffalo (water), camel, crocs, goat and many of the small feral animals to hunt (rabbit and fox). That's if hunting is your thing.
the taipans,brown snakes and death adders would detere me from hunting australia.i saw a death adder at the baltamore aquarium but behind the glass is good for me.although i have heard kangaroo meat is supposed to be good though and i suspect red deer would be good to.there is actualy a red deer farm not to from where i live although i have never been there


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01 Feb 2013, 8:04 pm

We have Eastern Browns living around the house. We also have Tiger snakes and Red-bellied blacks, but they aren't too bad (probably pretty bad compared to US ones though). If you don't stand on them, you're fine; they're peaceful creatures. Albeit, you have to look where you walk 100% of the time if you want to make sure you're 100% safe.

The only thing you have to watch out for is if they get in the house (little ones can), as it's hard to keep your guard up there; I've removed one from the house once.

I could blast them all to oblivion with a 12 gauge, but eh, I leave them be as they leave me be.

Yeah, there's also kangaroo for hunting (it tastes fine, and it's actually quite cheap here compared to beef and whatnot in the supermarkets; exported stuff overseas probably isn't though), but since they're native, you need to get a permit for that (unless you're aboriginal).



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01 Feb 2013, 8:33 pm

Dillogic wrote:
We have Eastern Browns living around the house. We also have Tiger snakes and Red-bellied blacks, but they aren't too bad (probably pretty bad compared to US ones though). If you don't stand on them, you're fine; they're peaceful creatures. Albeit, you have to look where you walk 100% of the time if you want to make sure you're 100% safe.

The only thing you have to watch out for is if they get in the house (little ones can), as it's hard to keep your guard up there; I've removed one from the house once.

I could blast them all to oblivion with a 12 gauge, but eh, I leave them be as they leave me be.

Yeah, there's also kangaroo for hunting (it tastes fine, and it's actually quite cheap here compared to beef and whatnot in the supermarkets; exported stuff overseas probably isn't though), but since they're native, you need to get a permit for that (unless you're aboriginal).
poisonous snakes are very rare in this part of the US.a dog was bit by a rattlesnake in massachusetts a few months ago this type of this is so rare that it made all news.a few years ago a guy was bit by a american copperhead(not anything like the very deadly copperheads in oz as you call it)he went the hospital that was about it.the copperhead is non lethal to adults however a copperhead killed a small kid forty years ago but that was the last death by snakebite in new england.

i have heard kangaroo tail is a delecasy with aboriginals


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01 Feb 2013, 8:48 pm

Yeah, pets are snakebite bait around these parts if they aren't kept in yards (or paralysis ticks); plenty die due to such. They'll attack the snake, said snake will bite, and then you have one dead dog/cat if the snake injects venom (sometimes they don't). It's not too common though. Ticks and wild dogs kill the most pets.

There hasn't been that many fatalities to snakes around here. I think the last one in my state was a couple of years ago. Whilst the snakes are so venomous, they're so shy and timid of people that you have to provoke them to bite you.



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01 Feb 2013, 9:16 pm

Dillogic wrote:
Yeah, pets are snakebite bait around these parts if they aren't kept in yards (or paralysis ticks); plenty die due to such. They'll attack the snake, said snake will bite, and then you have one dead dog/cat if the snake injects venom (sometimes they don't). It's not too common though. Ticks and wild dogs kill the most pets.

There hasn't been that many fatalities to snakes around here. I think the last one in my state was a couple of years ago. Whilst the snakes are so venomous, they're so shy and timid of people that you have to provoke them to bite you.
with the exception of the black mamba i would say poisonous snakes tend to be less aggresive.they will flee or give a dry bit.the inland taipan which is the worlds most venomous snake has never killed a person in recorded history.with eastern browns the problem is only when move into a shed and maybe get cornered and feel trapped when someone is retrieving a lawn mower or something.
in the U.S where snakes are less toxic in there venom people think a snake bit is no big deal and mostly drunks try to handle.achohol and snake bit go hand in hand in the southern us.in new england there so rare there almost never seen


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02 Feb 2013, 6:53 am

vermontsavant wrote:
Dillogic wrote:
Yeah, pets are snakebite bait around these parts if they aren't kept in yards (or paralysis ticks); plenty die due to such. They'll attack the snake, said snake will bite, and then you have one dead dog/cat if the snake injects venom (sometimes they don't). It's not too common though. Ticks and wild dogs kill the most pets.

There hasn't been that many fatalities to snakes around here. I think the last one in my state was a couple of years ago. Whilst the snakes are so venomous, they're so shy and timid of people that you have to provoke them to bite you.
with the exception of the black mamba i would say poisonous snakes tend to be less aggresive.they will flee or give a dry bit.the inland taipan which is the worlds most venomous snake has never killed a person in recorded history.with eastern browns the problem is only when move into a shed and maybe get cornered and feel trapped when someone is retrieving a lawn mower or something.
in the U.S where snakes are less toxic in there venom people think a snake bit is no big deal and mostly drunks try to handle.achohol and snake bit go hand in hand in the southern us.in new england there so rare there almost never seen

Last time I checked, Belcher's sea snake was the most venomous of all snakes. Some lists its venom as up to a 100 times more potent than that of the Inland Taipan. Not likely to encounter one in New England outside of a zoo, though...

Anyway, when I lived in Tanzania, there were highly venomous snakes (including the ridiculously dangerous black mamba) all over the place... That's when you *need* a gun...



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02 Feb 2013, 6:55 am

Did you ever explain to me what on Earth you were doing in Tanzania GGPViper?



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02 Feb 2013, 7:09 am

Tequila wrote:
Did you ever explain to me what on Earth you were doing in Tanzania GGPViper?

I lived there for about 3 years when I was a small kid. My father worked in an development aid project.

... just kidding :lol:.

Actually, I was chillin' with the gang, biting and killing the local populace... Ah, those were the days...

But then Solid Snake got drafted for the military, and Blackadder got a job at BBC, so I lost all my friends :pale:.