Ideas on How to Stop Massacres

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nothing will stop the world from becoming progessivly more chaotic because chaos is a side affect of time itself.for instance when you buy a new deck of playing cards they are all in suit and in a row.as you shuffle more and more there layout becomes more random and chaotic.

You also conveniently left out the part that Cregan lived and operated out of Manchester. You also conveniently left out a photo of normal bobbies on the beat, but specifically chose specialist police patrolling major events/landmarks in response to Terrorism. The police around my area do not carry firearms but tazers instead, a sign of faith in my community. Can any American police force say the same?



How? Do you see British people stockpiling arms from local gun shops? Nope. We don't even have them. Public support over here is overwhelmingly to strengthen gun laws.



I can and have provided statistics. You will not. Which argument is weaker, the one that refuses to provide statistics or the one that can?



I have not stated you should not defend yourself. That is a lie. If you wish to continue debating this issue, stop with the lies.



Again, I have not said you should not. That is, again, a lie.

Lock up all of the crazies.

Stop supplying them with weapons

Define crazies.
Adam Lanza had Aspergers/Autism - I wonder, if America does improve Mental Health services what restrictions will be imposed on Aspies/Autistics? Perhaps, gun control?

Would be a start, at least.

Melt the guns.

I'm all for gun control. Note that this does not mean a total ban on guns. There are some people who should be forbidden to hold guns.

The standard for losing your gun rights is a court order to intervene in your life, whether that means a criminal conviction, an involuntary psychiatric commitment, or conservatorship. Some European countries blacklist people for a diagnosis. Our legal system does not work that way and would deter people from getting help by trying to blacklist people in that fashion.

I don't know anything about Manchester, although from your comment I am assuming it is the fourth level of Dante's hell. I did not leave anything out. Everyone I have talked to knows that a bobby is unarmed. I thought being from the UK you would know that. I posted the picture because I wanted to show that British police will use weapons if there is great danger. I actually like the fact that American police carry weapons. After all, don't they have a right to defend their life?



I think stripping yourself of a right is a bit of knee jerk reaction. I do not stockpile weapons. Oddly enough the only weapon that I own is an English made Lee Enfield from WW2 .Somehow it managed to escape the weapon burning ceremonies that Europeans use to entertain themselves since they ran out of books.

Please I beseech you, , please do not go down the road of useless facts and figures. I have debated to long before on such logical fallacies and know that it will never give us a conclusion. All I want is your reasoning.



I am sorry if I have offended you, but you are not giving me very much information on which to draw a conclusion.


Again, you must provide me with an answer to the reasoning why you would like to ban guns when I am talking about using them for self defense.

I do truly want to have a logical debate with you, but to do so we must dispense with using pointless facts and figures which will get us no closer to a conclusion. If we simply argue upon the reasoning behind our opinions we can meet a point of agreement in as little as four posts.

To prove my sincerity, I will allow you to say anything you wish in response to this post without rebuke from me.

I believe that people are entitle to self defense and that a weapon is what allows us to stand the best chance. What do you believe?

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There is upwards of 300,000,000 guns in the US and it took us ten years to find a man who's house could be seen from space. Good Luck! Besides, I don't think most people understand how easy weapons are to make. Check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FinRqCocwGE

Was Adam's asperger's the cause of what he did, or was it something else? Because AS doesn't make people do things like that. That's a discussion that is needed.

Having said that, improving mental health care is quite different from "locking up all the crazies". In fact, the ideal would be to prevent people from becoming "crazies" and needing to be "locked up".

Currently.
After all the NRA want to have Mental Health services improved, probably with greater powers that will effect the legal system. Given that this debate started because of a guy with Aspergers opened fire at a school, it's not too far-fetched to say that Aspergers & Autism could be heavily monitored with new and different legal systems than the norm. So, it could happen.

Then you'll join my world, where you're terrified of getting shot & killed for no bloody good reason.



Why does defend their life equate to firearms? So one-dimensional....



We've gradually been disarming since the 18th Century...that's before the American Revolution.



What? There are weapon burning ceremonies on the continent? Where? When?



My reasoning for what? Life? Preventing man-made loss of life?



I believe that as equal humans with a limited lifespan we should be preventing and reducing all man-made weapons that shorten or end the lifespan of others or ourselves. We have inherited a world that we have to fight for our very survival from so many different predators from diseases to animals to weather and natural causes and yet, each day, at least one other human uses a weapon to kill.

Nothing wrong with any of that. I do not like war or murder and I would like to see such practices be a thing of the past. The problem is we are not so much fighting weapons as we are human nature. People are born with greed and violence. If you give one child a toy and then give the other something better they will naturally fight and hit each other for it. Despite all of our education and laws some of us continue this practice into adulthood. Hell, I just read a story on the BBC about a man who murdered his wife with a garden gnome. Even if we ban every weapon people will still kill each other. Except, the winner then would simply be the biggest and cruelest fu**er on the block. For the first time in human history the gun has changed that tables and made equals all people regardless of age, size, class, or creed. The trouble is that criminals sometimes get their hands on weapons and use them for nefarious means. For this I don't have an answer or a solution . I guess criminals will always have an edge on us simply because they don't play by the rules, no matter what law is passed, but why should we relinquish are first chance at defensive equality?

Shooters will continue to slip under the radar and commit their crimes so long as they have a motive to do so.
Viewing these criminals in isolation contributes only half of what can be done to prevent these attacks.
The other half is the way the community around them contributed to and reinforced their hatred for society.

In acts of horrific cowardice such as school shootings, it is my guess that rightly or wrongly, the shooters perceived themselves as victims of horrific cowardice by their community.
Now I don't for a minute pretend there are no excuses for this, but I have witnessed bullying, intimidation and victimisation, by the community as a whole against single individuals, in the street, in the workplace and while I was at school.
If nothing changes, nothing changes.

Could be part of it. Although, it is more common for them to commit suicide , which apparently may have have been attempted by Lanza.

I was fortunate/unfortunate enough to enjoy achtung levels of bullying through school - ie. 'the' guy, and while I was lucky enough to have such a bi-polar reaction from people that I had a better pole to gravitate toward I understand how these people blow up.

The trouble is, our society just doesn't have its priorities right and as long as people don't have a reason to care it simply won't. I don't think there's any top-down scheme that can fix a society's ethical depravity or self-centered attitudes, especially when children are as sheltered from adult discipline as they are these days (and we likely wouldn't want to regress on that since everyone's worried about kind of abuse would return).