Feminism is good for us
What I get from this is- You believe other people should take up feminism because you have flaws and it would make you feel better if we were all more forgiving of those flaws, and you think feminism will make us more forgiving or understanding.
The problem with that thought process is that your incompetence and ditzy personality will be looked at negatively by not just males, but females, and feminists of both gender. Just hang out with nicer people. I'm not a feminist or a male rights activist, or whatever these people call themselves now, nor do I want to be, but I have respect and believe in equality.
I don't think your "problem" is relative to gender roles. You have a personality flaws that can be improved and you might want to be around nicer people.
I have a general incompetence and ditziness that society associates with blond women. It's due to NVLD.
By trying to erode traditional gender roles, it would seem that feminism would do a big favor to both aspie men and women.
Why am I wrong?
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The problem with that thought process is that your incompetence and ditzy personality will be looked at negatively by not just males, but females, and feminists of both gender. Just hang out with nicer people. I'm not a feminist or a male rights activist, or whatever these people call themselves now, nor do I want to be, but I have respect and believe in equality.
I don't think your "problem" is relative to gender roles. You have a personality flaws that can be improved and you might want to be around nicer people.
I have a general incompetence and ditziness that society associates with blond women. It's due to NVLD.
By trying to erode traditional gender roles, it would seem that feminism would do a big favor to both aspie men and women.
Why am I wrong?
To an extent, but I don't think it's that bad for people to notice directly most of the time. It tends to manifest itself in terms of not being assertive or other habits or beliefs not directly related to incompetence or autism. Example: it seems like my field women always want to take public interest jobs while men always gravitate towards Type A private sector jobs in large law firms that require working 100 hours a week. I am smart enough to know that avoiding stress and having plenty of recharge time is an important part of managing my symptoms, so I am one of the few guys going into public interest work. I could not work 100 hours a week or in any stressful job for that matter without my autism regressing. I HAVE to have a low-stress government job.
If gender were more equal and fluid, you would have equal numbers of men and women going into both, and I wouldn't look like a "loser" for working at a federal agency instead of a Wall Street firm.
How many feminists you know speak out against male circumcision by the way?
Of the dozen or so prominent feminists I follow, probably three or so are vocally against MGM. I personally see it as none of my business, in the same way that abortion isn't really men's business; if I ever had a son, I'd leave it entirely up to the dad.
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How many feminists you know speak out against male circumcision by the way?
Of the dozen or so prominent feminists I follow, probably three or so are vocally against MGM. I personally see it as none of my business, in the same way that abortion isn't really men's business; if I ever had a son, I'd leave it entirely up to the dad.
There's really nothing wrong with male circumcision. There are bigger issues to worry about.
How many feminists you know speak out against male circumcision by the way?
Of the dozen or so prominent feminists I follow, probably three or so are vocally against MGM. I personally see it as none of my business, in the same way that abortion isn't really men's business; if I ever had a son, I'd leave it entirely up to the dad.
There's really nothing wrong with male circumcision. There are bigger issues to worry about.
I dunno, I'm a feminist and I think male circumcision is very important. I'm personally against it.
I'm circumsized nothing I can do about it but just live with it. Like being born an aspie nothing I can do about it but live with it.
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There are quite a few men here that were home birth and they were not "clipped".
I didn't have my son circumcised,I didn't see any need to do that to him.
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Lol, no comparison. I'm circumcised, too. All it means is that girls enjoy the sex more because it lasts longer, even if I don't necessarily enjoy it at all. That's about it. That, and I have less of a chance of getting HIV.
I don't see what it has to do with feminism though. There are bigger issues to worry about though.
Warren Farrell has said some bizarre things in the past. That's part of the reason why many feminists don't like him very much.
What things?
For example, how about Warren Farrell on incest:
http://manboobz.com/2013/02/20/mra-founding-father-warren-farrell-responds-to-questions-about-his-incest-research-with-evasive-non-answers-and-a-smiley/
In his book "The Myth of Male Power", he also said some things about date rape that make utterly zero sense.
When I first heard of him, I initially thought that some of Warren Farrell's stuff was good but I hadn't known about those 2 things though.
I think feminism was useful in the sixties to change a mindset of women-as-male-accessory , unequal pay etc.
These days its like protesting against child chimney sweeps. The change to laws has already happened in the western world.
Only Neanderthals are unaware of this.
Find new inequalities to pursue.
Warren Farrell has said some bizarre things in the past. That's part of the reason why many feminists don't like him very much.
What things?
For example, how about Warren Farrell on incest:
http://manboobz.com/2013/02/20/mra-founding-father-warren-farrell-responds-to-questions-about-his-incest-research-with-evasive-non-answers-and-a-smiley/
In his book "The Myth of Male Power", he also said some things about date rape that make utterly zero sense.
When I first heard of him, I initially thought that some of Warren Farrell's stuff was good but I hadn't known about those 2 things though.
I wouldn't trust anything David Futrelle post as truthful.
http://www.avoiceformen.com/updates/act ... -his-name/
Warren Farrell has said some bizarre things in the past. That's part of the reason why many feminists don't like him very much.
What things?
For example, how about Warren Farrell on incest:
http://manboobz.com/2013/02/20/mra-founding-father-warren-farrell-responds-to-questions-about-his-incest-research-with-evasive-non-answers-and-a-smiley/
In his book "The Myth of Male Power", he also said some things about date rape that make utterly zero sense.
When I first heard of him, I initially thought that some of Warren Farrell's stuff was good but I hadn't known about those 2 things though.
I wouldn't trust anything David Futrelle post as truthful.
http://www.avoiceformen.com/updates/act ... -his-name/
that's a bunch of gossip from an MRA site. he couldn't even name a source and didn't speak with any certainty. not exactly reputable either way.
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Its great to see Warren Farrell bring attention to the crises with boys and young men.
I don't think its the right question is feminism good for us, the question is weather our current state of gender relations is good and is the course we are on good for our future.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6w1S8yrFz4[/youtube]
Anything that can reduce the toxic gender relations we have now is all good but more importantly making positive changes to address the crises with boys and young men.
I don't think its the right question is feminism good for us, the question is weather our current state of gender relations is good and is the course we are on good for our future.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6w1S8yrFz4[/youtube]
Anything that can reduce the toxic gender relations we have now is all good but more importantly making positive changes to address the crises with boys and young men.
Current gender relations are not good people are being made to play roles that they don't want to play and feminism isn't helping making it seem that all women are being demeaned and abused when nothing could be further from the truth. Real men who are empathetic and caring are being forgotten while women who would rather be a good wife and mother are being attacked and degraded because they don't want to treat their family as a burden and problem.
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