Ding Dong The Witch is Dead set to top the UK charts

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Britain has lost more manufacturing under Blair than Thatcher. Nobody demonises Blair because he is a lefty.

Not true: http://www.arrestblair.org/

Also not true, Blair moved Labour to the right. He was liberal on some social issues, but economically New Labour was a very different beast to the party of Wilson and Callaghan.

Blair was deeply authoritarian on civil liberties and freedoms. Any 'liberalism' on his part was cosmetic at best.

Minimum wage, civil partnerships, Lisbon Treaty, working rights improved, and he valued the environment. Dispersal orders and his drugs policy were fairly authoritarian, yes.

Blair was not a lefty. He got rid of Clause 4 from the Labour party and embraced free markets.

He was demonized over the Iraq war.

Just more typical hatred from left wing liberal nutjobs. Let them have their fun, they're the ones looking like idiots.

Well that was his biggest mistake. Whether you think he should be demonized entirely, I think it is important that he not get off lightly, so we don't repeat the mistake. I this he has become more slippery with power, he commands a huge wage for envoy and consultancy, that is not going to help the situation in the middle east one bit.

If there real was a potential threat it could have been dealt with like the previous time Iraq had a program.

Iraq had to bluff, because it has attacked Iran previously.

I do agree if he hadn't made this mistake and focused on the Afghanistan, he probably wouldn't be some vilified, in fact he was re-elected three times. He as pretty popular before Iraq.

You missed the point. I was referring to manufacturing industry. Thatcher is vilified for destroying large swathes of British manufacturing but Blair isn't.

That was a wise thing to do. Give a Prole a telly to watch, some beer to drink and something to f*ck and he is a happy Prole.

ruveyn

The campaign didn't work as the song didn't reach number one.

However, it sold over 50,000 copies and entered the chart at number 2 and it now holds the record of the shortest song ever (51 seconds) to make the top 10.

It did however make No 1 in the official Scottish chart,which runs in tandem with the UK one.

I think there's something a bit icky about the idea that you should never speak ill of the recently departed.

It makes sense if they are somebody that you knew personally, and you are at their funeral or something. But the rule should not be extended to public figures. Public figures, especially politicians, can have a huge effect on the world. By saying "you're not allowed to speak ill of Margaret Thatcher", you're basically saying "you're not allowed to say that Margaret Thatcher's policies were bad". They are inseparable.

No, by all means people should criticise her policies and her legacy. People don't have to be ultra-respectful whilst they're doing it either

I personally wouldn't want people to retreat into fake mawkishness over my death. I would want people to be honest about my faults.

Big difference between that and wanting to jump on someone's grave, to hold massive street parties, to smash up Barnardo's and to threaten my funeral.

I suppose even some form of 'celebration' that could be partially understood if Thatcher had died in, say, 1986.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013 ... ers-police

So Tequila do you think it is right for the police to ask demonstrates to tell them how they wish to protest at the funeral, in order to prevent arrests under section 5 of the Public Order Act?

Yes, I do think there should be some limitations. People should be allowed to, for example, turn their backs. They shouldn't be allowed to disturb grieving people or disrupt the funeral itself or block traffic with their protest.

Do you agree with Westboro Baptist Church getting full rights to picket funerals and disturb the proceedings?

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Isn't that a fairly standard action from the police though, where they're expecting some form of protest?
They recognise and try to accommodate the right to protest, but not to the extent of it disrupting proceedings.

This is the funeral of an old lady, not some sort of arms shipment passing through where there might be a more pressing reason to disrupt or stop it.
Turning their backs as the coffin passes says quite enough.