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12 Apr 2013, 5:50 pm

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Why do scientists hate the idea of God?


Because God's a poopy-brain, meanie head.


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12 Apr 2013, 6:38 pm

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... It makes me wonder if the creationists who do this are truly that stupid to not realize what they are doing, batshit crazy, or deliberately trying to deceive people because they figure if it brings people to Jesus a little deception is okay...

All throughout Christian history, people have believed that even the most heinous of atrocities were not crimes or sins if they were committed in Jesus' name. Why should a modern-day "Christian" behave any different?


I'm a Christan and I think manipulating somebody for Jesus Christ is a sin. If they don't know what is to truly come, how are they to prepare?



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12 Apr 2013, 6:45 pm

I don't think there are many scientists who hate god, but there are likely many who object to G-d being considered in situations where that isn't helpful.

If my car breaks down I can think about maybe the fuel filter being clogged, or the ignition system is not working properly, as opposed to thinking "G-d is making my car not run." One avenue leads to a solution and the other doesn't. So, in invoking god in certain situations is not helpful at all.



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12 Apr 2013, 8:34 pm

Apple_in_my_Eye wrote:
I don't think there are many scientists who hate god, but there are likely many who object to G-d being considered in situations where that isn't helpful.

If my car breaks down I can think about maybe the fuel filter being clogged, or the ignition system is not working properly, as opposed to thinking "G-d is making my car not run." One avenue leads to a solution and the other doesn't. So, in invoking god in certain situations is not helpful at all.


Nawww!
Car mechanics all "hate the idea of God".

And there is a vast conspiracy reaching of the nation's vocational schools to drive believers out of the trade.

Just joking. Thats a good answer.

So...

Puppydog- what is your response to all of these responses to your question?



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12 Apr 2013, 8:45 pm

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Why do scientists hate the idea of God?


How can you hate an idea which cannot be proved,
is not needed to explain anything,
and when even those that believe in God cannot agree on what/who he/she is and who shall be saved and when.

Actually I thought the problem was that the theists hated/persecuted the scientists, who had among other things proved the earth was not flat, that the earth was not the center of the universe, etc.



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12 Apr 2013, 8:48 pm

Bezeone wrote:
Fnord wrote:
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... It makes me wonder if the creationists who do this are truly that stupid to not realize what they are doing, batshit crazy, or deliberately trying to deceive people because they figure if it brings people to Jesus a little deception is okay...
All throughout Christian history, people have believed that even the most heinous of atrocities were not crimes or sins if they were committed in Jesus' name. Why should a modern-day "Christian" behave any different?
I'm a Christan and I think manipulating somebody for Jesus Christ is a sin...

Then you are in a minority - of one - if what you've posted is the truth.



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13 Apr 2013, 4:03 am

I think I see the point that the OP is trying to make. Not because I'm trying to defend God, but because of the emotional reactions some of the people here have to his non-existence.

I couldn't tell you for sure either way. I find it odd when religious types say flat out God is clearly real. I also find it odd how people here seem to get their rocks off proclaiming their lack of belief in God.

Kind of like two heads on the same serpent. Apparently, the topic of God is still emotional and controversial for many believers and disbelievers alike.



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13 Apr 2013, 4:06 am

Fnord wrote:
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I'm a Christan and I think manipulating somebody for Jesus Christ is a sin...

Then you are in a minority - of one - if what you've posted is the truth.


That seems overly presumptuous. Christians themselves can't seem to agree on what they believe. You're saying you know exactly how they all think? I don't believe Bezeone is alone by any means.



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13 Apr 2013, 12:05 pm

ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
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I'm a Christan and I think manipulating somebody for Jesus Christ is a sin...

Then you are in a minority - of one - if what you've posted is the truth.
That seems overly presumptuous. Christians themselves can't seem to agree on what they believe. You're saying you know exactly how they all think? I don't believe Bezeone is alone by any means.

Exactly how each and every one of them thinks? No, I do not.

Generally how they all think? Yes, definitely. Remember, I've been through seminary school, I've been a church elder, and I regularly attend church services 2 or 3 times a week.

Manipulation is both part and parcel of hard-core Christians' evangelical methods. Chick Tracts are a prime example - they're used to inspire fear and guilt in young people (their target audience), and convince them that they must conform to the will of a loving and compassionate God, or face an eternity of unremitting torment in a "Lake of Fire". This is based on a collection of largely apocryphal stories that were passed down orally by illiterate nomads since the late Stone Age, and put into writing only during the last 2500 years or so.

The really sad part of it is that most Christians don't see it as "Manipulation"; they call it "Witnessing" instead.



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13 Apr 2013, 12:23 pm

I dont think its hate just lack of proof of his existence! With science providing more proof and solutions to problems it makes less reasons to believe his/her existence for what used to not be able to be explained before! However even if he does not exist there is no good reason to do bad deeds like lie, cheat, steal, or hate!


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13 Apr 2013, 2:18 pm

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13 Apr 2013, 3:47 pm

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Which God?


Definitely not Thor. Thor destroyed the ice giants. Proof? I haven't see any ice giants around, have you?


I thought Odin made that promise. Judging by the hammer, the guy in this picture is probably Thor though.

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13 Apr 2013, 4:18 pm

ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
I think I see the point that the OP is trying to make. Not because I'm trying to defend God, but because of the emotional reactions some of the people here have to his non-existence.

I couldn't tell you for sure either way. I find it odd when religious types say flat out God is clearly real. I also find it odd how people here seem to get their rocks off proclaiming their lack of belief in God.

Kind of like two heads on the same serpent. Apparently, the topic of God is still emotional and controversial for many believers and disbelievers alike.


I do not have a strong position on the existence or non-existence of God. What bothers me is when some religious people ignore, deny or distort the truth about evolution because to accept what is demonstrably real conflicts with the way they interpret their holy book(s).

Why do these people spread falsehoods in the name of their God and try to dumb down everybody else's children in addition to brainwashing their own children with beliefs that are demonstrably false (e.g., that there are no transitional fossils, that there is no evidence for evolution, that intelligent design is just as much science as evolution, or that evolution is just as much religion as creationism).

Granted most of those who deny the fact of evolution do so because they are basing their opinion on bad information, I mean, really bad information, I mean, really really REALLY bad misinformation that sources they trust have told them they must either believe or go to hell if they don't. To me, those people are calling God (if He exists) a liar by saying what is demonstrably real is not real.

Augustine of Hippo wrote a long time ago (about 400 A.D.) about the dangers of Christians making ignorant assertions about the natural world that nonbelievers can easily see are false. His book was even titled The Literal Interpretation of Genesis! He warned that doing so would push people away from Christ, not bring them closer. I know that is the case for me personally. I have much less respect for any church that denies what is demonstrably real in favor of a fairy tale whose claims that can be tested have been falsified.


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13 Apr 2013, 4:25 pm

trollcatman wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
VIDEODROME wrote:
Which God?


Definitely not Thor. Thor destroyed the ice giants. Proof? I haven't see any ice giants around, have you?


I thought Odin made that promise. Judging by the hammer, the guy in this picture is probably Thor though.

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They both did it, apparently. According to one tale, Odin threw the eyes of Thiassi into the heavens and they became the stars, and Thor threw the frozen toe of Aurvandil into the heavens that also became a star, namely Aurvandil´s star. But accounts differ.



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13 Apr 2013, 9:43 pm

If many scientists are atheists like myself, they don't even think about a god or deity, unless the topic is brought up.
I would find it very difficult to hate or dislike something which has no meaning or existence for me.

An example - North Korea's news service recently announced it had proof of a unicorn ridden by an historical leader.
I considered those who believed this to be misguided, and ill informed, but at no point did I have any emotions directed toward the non-existent unicorn.