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19 May 2013, 9:24 pm

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you know i very much doubt that during 1928 Germany more than half the electorate were in favour of specifically gassing 6 million jews.

However they were in favour of a radical solution spurred on by the financial crisis. I am in no doubt that Europe is currently heading for a resurgent financial crisis.

If Anders Brievik ever becomes a political tour de force, it will be because of social conditioning 15 or 20 years down the line, not necessarilly right now.

This is sloppy thinking.

you're lumping together two different things- one is a sane issue that no one denies, and the other thing is absurd.
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Breviks beliefs could become a political force. But Brevik himself will never because he is unelectable.

American voters gag and choke at the thought of voting for a Mormon, or voting for a Black guy with a Muslim sounding name. Only one openly gay man has ever won office (Barney Frank) that I know of. And no openly athiest politician has ever been elected in the USA. But even atheism isnt as bad as being a psychotic mass murderer.

Ideologically Timothy McViegh was (for practical purposes) the forunner of the Tea Party movement. That doesnt mean that Sarah Palin is going to spring him from prison and make him her running mate.

The Abolitionists voted for Lincoln. They didnt vote for John Brown.

And to even the few who are not repelled by him -his talent is murder- not administration- not speech making-not diplomacy. Even other homocidal maniacs wouldnt see him as qualified to run a country even if they applaud what he did.

A politician who espouses the same anti immigrant creed that brevik killed in the name of might well tap into rising resentment and become a force "ten or fifteen years from now". Nobody denies that. But Brevik himself could not become that politician.

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20 May 2013, 1:09 am

Sarah Palin would have to spring McVeigh from the grave - he's been executed.

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20 May 2013, 5:34 am

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A politician who espouses the same anti immigrant creed that brevik killed in the name of might well tap into rising resentment and become a force "ten or fifteen years from now". Nobody denies that. But Brevik himself could not become that politician.

Far-right, anti-immigrant fascists are not a political force in any shape or form in Norway at the moment.

As I've said, the classical liberal Progress Party is popular in Norway, and they campaign for a more restrictive immigration policy, strong law and order, and much more pronounced integration. That's a long way from being "anti-immigrant" though. Actually, Breivik himself was in the Progress Party but left them a few years before committing his massacre, due to his views becoming more and more extreme and hateful and thus feeling out of place in the party.

From the opinion polls, they polled 22% of the vote in the last Norwegian elections. Now, they're on about 16%-17%. I think they'll lose around ten seats next time round, going from 40 to 30 seats. Elections for the Stortinget take place in September.

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20 May 2013, 9:35 am

Brevik is delusional. He can set up his Party in his jail cell.

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20 May 2013, 9:40 am

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Brevik is delusional. He can set up his Party in his jail cell.

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I think sociopathic would be a better term to use. They tend to hide behind ideologies and "dreams" to get their kicks.

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20 May 2013, 3:41 pm

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Sarah Palin would have to spring McVeigh from the grave - he's been executed.

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I saw him being interviewed on William Shatner's show like only a year ago.

Didnt know that they taped the show years in advance.

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20 May 2013, 7:38 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:

Sarah Palin would have to spring McVeigh from the grave - he's been executed.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I saw him being interviewed on William Shatner's show like only a year ago.

Didnt know that they taped the show years in advance.

I've never seen Shatner's show, but I understand they're bringing it to Scy/Fy.
Terry Nichols, McVeigh's partner is alive and rotting in prison while doing a life sentence, while his brother, who should also have been prosecuted, is walking around free.

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21 May 2013, 2:09 am

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naturalplastic wrote:

So thomas81 has even less to worry about.

Brevik is not even a mainstream lunatic. He is a lunatic fringe lunatic.

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21 May 2013, 2:09 am

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21 May 2013, 2:11 am

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21 May 2013, 8:01 am

naturalplastic wrote:

So thomas81 has even less to worry about.

Brevik is not even a mainstream lunatic. He is a lunatic fringe lunatic!

naturalplastic wrote:

So thomas81 has even less to worry about.

Brevik is not even a mainstream lunatic. He is a lunatic fringe lunatic!

naturalplastic wrote:

So thomas81 has even less to worry about.

Brevik is not even a mainstream lunatic. He is a lunatic fringe lunatic!

You don't say...

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21 May 2013, 8:12 am

thomas81 wrote:

naturalplastic wrote:

So thomas81 has even less to worry about.

Brevik is not even a mainstream lunatic. He is a lunatic fringe lunatic!

naturalplastic wrote:

So thomas81 has even less to worry about.

Brevik is not even a mainstream lunatic. He is a lunatic fringe lunatic!

naturalplastic wrote:

So thomas81 has even less to worry about.

Brevik is not even a mainstream lunatic. He is a lunatic fringe lunatic!

You don't say...

Dont blame me for WP malfunctioning. I only posted it once.

However since you're complaining about the frequency of the post and not the content of the post itsself I take it that you agree with the content.

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21 May 2013, 8:21 am

naturalplastic wrote:

thomas81 wrote:

naturalplastic wrote:

So thomas81 has even less to worry about.

Brevik is not even a mainstream lunatic. He is a lunatic fringe lunatic!

naturalplastic wrote:

So thomas81 has even less to worry about.

Brevik is not even a mainstream lunatic. He is a lunatic fringe lunatic!

naturalplastic wrote:

So thomas81 has even less to worry about.

Brevik is not even a mainstream lunatic. He is a lunatic fringe lunatic!

You don't say...

I still think its all speculative at this stage. If history shows anything, todays madmen can become tomorrows percieved visionaries.

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21 May 2013, 8:25 am

thomas81 wrote:

naturalplastic wrote:

thomas81 wrote:

naturalplastic wrote:

So thomas81 has even less to worry about.

Brevik is not even a mainstream lunatic. He is a lunatic fringe lunatic!

naturalplastic wrote:

So thomas81 has even less to worry about.

Brevik is not even a mainstream lunatic. He is a lunatic fringe lunatic!

naturalplastic wrote:

So thomas81 has even less to worry about.

Brevik is not even a mainstream lunatic. He is a lunatic fringe lunatic!

You don't say...

I still think its all speculative at this stage. If history shows anything, todays madmen can become tomorrows percieved visionaries.

But thats my very point.

There is no historic precedent for that KIND of madman becoming a messianic head of state.

Concievably in a couple generations a future Hitler might come to power over the EU, and he will retroactively lionize Brevik- and have his name put into children's textbooks as 'a visionary'. But that future furher could not be Brevik himself.

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21 May 2013, 8:38 am

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its ironic that you say there is NO historic predendent for that kind of madman becoming a head of state and in the same paragraph namedrop Hitler. Hitler by the way, showed clear signs of his obsessions well before being elected.

How can you say there is no precedent? What of Emperor Tojo or Mussolini who saw himself as some sort of latter day Nero? Even the Kim Dynasty are hardly renowned for their stability.

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21 May 2013, 8:51 am

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naturalplastic wrote:

I said 'not that KIND of madman'. Hitler was a different KIND of madman.

Hitler didnt go around serial killing nor mass murdering with his own hands in the years before he achieved office.

Nero inherited the office- he was not elected - and didnt exhibit much of his madmess until after he was in office anyway.

Tojo (who was not the emperor- but a prime minister), and Musselini, were more like Bugsy Seigal than like Andre Brevik.

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