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Will US conservatism (as we know it) die out?
Your prognosis is correct, doctor. Conservatism will die. 29%  29%  [ 4 ]
Your prognosis is incorrect, quack. Conservatism is already dead. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
No. Conservatism will survive because of (please specify) 43%  43%  [ 6 ]
No. Conservatism may be dead, but it will rise again because of (please specify) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
On Planet X, Rutabaga-flavoured ice cream salesmen will crucify GGPViper as punishment for his excessive shenanigans. 29%  29%  [ 4 ]
Other (please unravel in your reply or GTFO) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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03 Jul 2013, 8:48 pm

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Okay, so what naughty things has Nugent done lately?
I know the peaceniks and tree huggers hate him because he goes out in the woods and shoots critters and eats them but what else?
Inquiring minds want to know.....


Children, this is what I mean by tree huggers. These people should be living within padded walls.

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03 Jul 2013, 9:01 pm

^^^^Some people cry,some monkey wrench :lol: And no ones ever been hurt in an ELF attack.


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03 Jul 2013, 9:03 pm

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^^^^Some people cry,some monkey wrench :lol: And no ones ever been hurt in an ELF attack.


What does that mean?


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03 Jul 2013, 9:16 pm

http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ ... ching.html


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03 Jul 2013, 9:59 pm

I don't have time or the inclination to read all of that but at a glance it appears to give instructions on and/or condone eco-terrorism which is still terrorism. :shameonyou:

I have a story about that but I'll make it short.
We had a tree hugging left wing nutjob at work (recently retired) that had a chainsaw accident while on his property in the mountains. He was getting things ready to retire there and was cutting trees. Yes, a peacenik tree hugger cutting trees down with a chain saw if you can believe that. :roll:
Anyhoo, he tore up a chain or two on those trees because they had been spiked. It was then that he remembered that he'd spiked those trees when he was 15. He actually told us that then got mad when we laughed our asses off at him. That property had been in his family since he was a kid and they'd go there on weekends to get away. He and his old lady bought some of that land off of his folks to retire on in recent years.
We asked him why he, a GD tree hugger, was cutting down trees and his answer was that those trees were blocking their view of the valley. :roll:

This same idiot, who also would whine incessantly about SUV's and non-green vehicles, bought an old '84 Jeep Wagoneer which is about as green as a lump of coal.
When asked why, he simply answered that he'd gotten a good deal on it. :roll: He drove it to work every day instead of his little Hyundai. Of course, he got furious when we'd pick on him for being a hypocrite. We had so much fun tormenting that douche but he'd keep handing us more ammo to use.


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03 Jul 2013, 10:23 pm

I don't think spiking trees is ok,if one gets to the saw mill with a spike in it,it can throw a piece of metal into some one.You wanted the def of monkey wrenching so I supplied it.I have noticed that some of the die hard tree huggers here have houses that are all wood.Seems like they would use rock,no shortage of them here.I support sustainable logging,which was done here by the locals.But I hate clear cuts,in South Ark Weyerhaeuser and IP would bull doze down huge old oaks into winrows,let them rot,and plant their damm pine tree plantations. I have 20 acres of marketable large timber and I have no plans to ever log it.One sneaky spike trick timber buyers would use if you didn't want to sell your large walnut trees is to drive copper spikes into a tree,this eventually kills the tree,and then they show back up and offer to buy your dead tree.I have walnut trees so big I can't reach around them.To hug them you know :lol: I can gather the walnuts in the fall and Hammons buys them,they will even hull some for you.Or you can spread them out in the drive way and back over them a few times.Black Walnut cake is delicious.


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03 Jul 2013, 10:25 pm

Misslizard wrote:
http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/Various_Authors__Ecodefense__A_Field_Guide_to_Monkeywrenching.html


Monkeywrenching is criminal destruction of private property and should be severely punished.

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03 Jul 2013, 10:34 pm

^^^So is driving copper spikes into people's trees to kill them.And they know where that spike is,no danger to them at the mill.They drive it in low at the base so it will be below the chainsaw cut.We have also had loggers get over "accidentally" on land they shouldn't be,they will claim ignorance,"we didn't know where the property line was."That's stealing.


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03 Jul 2013, 10:42 pm

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I can gather the walnuts in the fall and Hammons buys them,they will even hull some for you.Or you can spread them out in the drive way and back over them a few times.Black Walnut cake is delicious.

I kinda like black walnuts, they're quite different in flavor from those California walnuts (or whatever they're called). We used to husk the damn things by hand and get all that crap on our hands then lay the nuts out to dry still in the shells. We'd go out and get hickory nuts, too.


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03 Jul 2013, 10:57 pm

Hickory nuts are good,unless it's a pignut hickory.We have scaly bark hickories here and some other types.I have some huge ones,they turn the best color yellow in the fall.There are also wild hazel nuts,small but tasty.I have two pecan trees but no nuts yet.I miss the papershell pecans that grew at all the old home places in South Ark.I used to crack them with my teeth,I'm not doing that anymore.
And hickory nut cake with penuche frosting is also really good.
My biggest black walnut is right by the house,it gets loud when those nuts hit the tin roof.
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Pictures of my big Walnut,the best shade tree ever.This is an old someplace so no telling how old this tree is.


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03 Jul 2013, 10:58 pm

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The recent Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage (a massive defeat to the religious right) made me wonder if it is all downhill from here for US Conservatism.

The concept of linking a Small Government platform (the Fiscal Conservatives) with a Christian platform (the Social Conservatives) seems to have backfired for the GOP, as the latter is dragging down the former.

I have identified 3 key problems with the current Republican platform which combine into a simple ultimatum: Reform or Die.

1. The Republicans have lost The Female Vote
2. The Republicans have lost The Young Vote
3. The Republicans have lost The Non-White Vote

1. The female vote
The 2012 election had the greatest documented gender gap since Gallup started polling it in 1952. The Democrats have reliable held the Female Vote for 20 years, while the Male Vote is only conditionally in favour of the Republicans.

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This suggests that the Republican party platform is currently systematically unappealing to female voters. If the Republicans were to attempt to rectify this disadvantage, they would somehow have to reach out to female voters. However, the Social Conservatives are adamantly pushing the Anti-Abortion agenda within the party, at state level and at the federal level. So the Republicans seem to be between a rock and a hard place: If they compromise on abortion (or more broadly: Women's reproductive rights) they will lose Social Conservative voters (my guess is that quite a few will simply choose not to vote), and if they do not, they will continue to lose the Female Vote.

And with people like Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock, it will be extremely easy for Democrats to file the "War on Women" charge against the Republicans again.

And even though the Republican won the Male Vote, they lost the election. In other words, the Democrats (for the time being) can "afford" to have a platform that appeals less to men, as its appeal to women more than compensates for this disadvantage.

2. The Young Vote
Christianity remains at the core of US Conservatism. However, religiosity is declining in the US, thus gradually eroding the Conservative voter base.

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And if one digs a bit deeper, it turns out that younger religious voters are also less politically religious - that is, their religion is less likely to influence their views on issues such as homosexuality and abortion than older voters. Meaning that Conservatism will have an increasingly harder time appealing to even the Christian Vote. Time itself is against Conservatism, it would seem.

See more here: http://www.pewforum.org/Age/Religion-Am ... px#beliefs

3. The Non-White Vote
As I have mentioned before on WP, I consider this the number one challenge to the Republicans, simply because of the number of voters it involves.

Once again, Pew delivers:
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Now, here is the 2012 vote by race:
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The Republicans are failing miserably at attracting Non-White voters. My guess is that the Social Conservative Platform only appeals to Southern Whites while alienating everyone else.

Another look at the same numbers:

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It won't take a political mastermind to paint the Republicans as a racist party, regardless of its actual truth value.

4. Conclusion
So, is it over? Will Conservatism crash and burn due to demographic changes? Or have I missed some crucial variable or misinterpreted others?

And - assuming that I'm right - what kind of Republican party will emerge from the ashes of the current one?


Yes, in 20 years the majority the old white men will die out. The real question is, will the country ever recover from their reign of terror? I think it will be very difficult.

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03 Jul 2013, 11:26 pm

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Yes, in 20 years the majority the old white men will die out.

We're not all old so don't hold your breath.

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The real question is, will the country ever recover from their reign of terror? I think it will be very difficult.

I bet you're one of the ones that compared the Bush administration to the Third Reich or the Sith. This is definitely in line with that kind of thinking.
Reign of terror.............. :lol: :lmao:


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03 Jul 2013, 11:29 pm

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Hickory nuts are good,unless it's a pignut hickory.We have scaly bark hickories here and some other types.I have some huge ones,they turn the best color yellow in the fall.There are also wild hazel nuts,small but tasty.I have two pecan trees but no nuts yet.I miss the papershell pecans that grew at all the old home places in South Ark.I used to crack them with my teeth,I'm not doing that anymore.
And hickory nut cake with penuche frosting is also really good.
My biggest black walnut is right by the house,it gets loud when those nuts hit the tin roof.


Nice place you got there. It looks remote and neighbor-less which is always good.


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04 Jul 2013, 12:09 am

^^^Indeed,I can't see any neighbors and I'm about a 1/4 mile off a dirt road.My own water supply also.And blessed with good quiet neighbors.I have deer and turkey in the yard.I released 20 bobwhite quail and they seem to be making it.If the s**t ever does hit the fan I could survive here.And a fishing hole about a 15 mnt walk.The only disadvantage is the road can get really bad.this area is real sparse so we are the low ones on the totem pole when it comes to road maintenance.And bears can be a nuisance,they ate my black raspberries and wallowed them down.They always get to the paw paws before I do.Did you have paw paws where you lived,and persimmons?And if we get snow or ice,the power may go out for a long time.On two occasions it was out two weeks.I have wood heat,so I can cook on top of the wood stove,and keep Petzel headlamps for just such occasions.One time I didn't leave for a month,the road was so bad.Private swimming holes with no tourists,a big bonus.Just locals drinking a few beers.


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04 Jul 2013, 1:15 am

Pawpaws and persimmon are common in the eastern US but I don't think I've actually eaten them. I've had plenty of black berries, raspberries elderberries, wild strawberries, etc. Also wild grapes and muscadines and whatnot. You're bear problem contains its own solution since black bear meat is especially good when the bear has been eating stuff like that: Kill the bear, have the berries for yourself, and have meat for the winter. If it has a good hide use it to make a winter coat or at least a decorative bearskin rug for the wall. :D


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04 Jul 2013, 3:57 am

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Yes, in 20 years the majority the old white men will die out.

We're not all old so don't hold your breath.


The only group that Romney carried decisively was white males age 65+. He just barely got the majority of white males 45 - 65. No matter how you spin it those demographics are a disaster for the Republicans. It will take a miracle for the GOP to even survive another 20 years.

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The real question is, will the country ever recover from their reign of terror? I think it will be very difficult.

I bet you're one of the ones that compared the Bush administration to the Third Reich or the Sith. This is definitely in line with that kind of thinking.
Reign of terror.............. :lol: :lmao:


No, I would never do that. That would be an insult to the Sith. :lol: