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14 Jul 2013, 11:09 am

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In other news, water is wet. It's over, folks! Deal with it! :roll:
This is the Internet. What fun would there be in THAT? :wink:


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14 Jul 2013, 12:46 pm

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In other news, water is wet.

It's over, folks!

Deal with it!

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Yeah, because we all know that people shut up right after O.J. Simpson was acquitted.


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14 Jul 2013, 1:15 pm

The OJ case was interesting. It was like a national IQ test. I still remember the people I knew who cheered. White people. lol

The evidence in that case was staggering.



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14 Jul 2013, 6:38 pm

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No I do not have access to that paper. What is the history of the law? If the argument is that the law is racist because some of the people that support it are racist then it's not a very good argument. It's irrelevant, who cares? Michael Moore makes the same accusation against gun owners in general and my response to that is what about his own armed guards? How does the law unfairly target black or other minorities over whites? I can't see how it does unless you're making some unsavory generalizations about black people or minorities.


The history of the law goes back to Jim Crow laws in the South (and in some other parts of the U.S.). After school segregation became unconstitutional in the 1950s and following the Voting Rights Act of 1964, many white people panicked.

Jim Crow Laws:

http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/remembering/


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14 Jul 2013, 6:40 pm

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Do you live in the USA?


I do, yes.

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I can tell you that in more and more urban areas, it's a jungle.


A "jungle," eh? Are you aware of the history of using that term in relation to African Americans?


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14 Jul 2013, 6:42 pm

Blackboard Jungle is a Glenn Ford movie from the 50s.

The title probably hasnt aged well.



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14 Jul 2013, 6:42 pm

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A lot of white people have good reason to fear black people.


Fascinating post. You made my point for me. I would suggest reconsidering some of the things you wrote.


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14 Jul 2013, 6:45 pm

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They have perfect civil rights.


Then why is the U.S. prison system disproportionately Black?

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My experience shows that the courts only respect the color GREEN.


Indeed. The American race system was created by wealthy people of European ancestry. They used it to get the "poor white" (rednecks) on their side. It is one of the often forgotten parts of racial history in the U.S.


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14 Jul 2013, 6:46 pm

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Jacoby wrote:
No I do not have access to that paper. What is the history of the law? If the argument is that the law is racist because some of the people that support it are racist then it's not a very good argument. It's irrelevant, who cares? Michael Moore makes the same accusation against gun owners in general and my response to that is what about his own armed guards? How does the law unfairly target black or other minorities over whites? I can't see how it does unless you're making some unsavory generalizations about black people or minorities.


The history of the law goes back to Jim Crow laws in the South (and in some other parts of the U.S.). After school segregation became unconstitutional in the 1950s and following the Voting Rights Act of 1964, many white people panicked.

Jim Crow Laws:

http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/remembering/


MarketandChurch said it best on another thread:

"The social crusades of the Left will never end until people accept that the entire country is a living embodiment of the Jim Crow South, and we therefore institute racist pro-black policies, and subsidies of every imaginable kind. There will be another Christopher Dorner, another Tyler Clementi, another Sandra Fluke, another Duke Lacrosse, until the country conforms to their Trinity, of Race, Gender, and Class."



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14 Jul 2013, 6:52 pm

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"The social crusades of the Left will never end until people accept that the entire country is a living embodiment of the Jim Crow South, and we therefore institute racist pro-black policies, and subsidies of every imaginable kind. There will be another Christopher Dorner, another Tyler Clementi, another Sandra Fluke, another Duke Lacrosse, until the country conforms to their Trinity, of Race, Gender, and Class."


Yes.


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14 Jul 2013, 7:08 pm

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zer0netgain wrote:
They have perfect civil rights.


Then why is the U.S. prison system disproportionately Black?

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My experience shows that the courts only respect the color GREEN.


Indeed. The American race system was created by wealthy people of European ancestry. They used it to get the "poor white" (rednecks) on their side. It is one of the often forgotten parts of racial history in the U.S.


It's that way because the majority of Blacks commit crime plane and simple. This whole garbage of European wealth is non-sense.

Sad part is most Americans have no clue what racism is. Hell I didn't till I moved out of Texas. In Texas you are either White, Black, Asian, or Mexican (Brown). You CANNOT be mixed and if you are you are more of one race than the other and it overrides the fact that you are mixed. You are classified by your skin. I am a Latino (half Mexican and half Puerto Rican) however I am light skinned. So by Texas standards I am white regardless of the fact that I am Latino. I got picked on by both Mexicans and Blacks. Ironically I got picked on Mexicans because I was white and they don't like whites or blacks (mayates) which is the derogatory for blacks and the equivalent to the "N" word in Mexican Spanish. Now the Blacks didn't like me because they thought I was Mexican and as I mentioned earlier Mexicans are beefing with Blacks. However Whites and Blacks have a better relationship in Texas than you would think. If I was considered white by a black then I would be considered a friend. I had very few black friends for that reason.

Now fast forward to my move to DC. If Texas had DC's culture I think Texas would collapse into itself. Here it is IMPOSIBLE to determine race by color of skin. The Latino race alone consist of Whites, Blacks, Asians, and Indians. That has eliminated racial tensions here in DC because it's hard to hate a race when you can determine the race in the first place. Now here in DC we also have many foreign nationals from different countries. Guess what they also have many skin complexions as well. France now probably has more Africans than Whites. Other countries are falling down the same path as well. My wife is Dominican and she is light complexion yet her cousin is Black. Creol culture alone suffers from racism in it's own community between dark skinned and light skinned. Whites are no longer the only rich and even during the days of slavery there were rich free black families. So today there is no excuse to throw the racist card. Even in my backwards state of Texas with blacks considering me White or Mexican it is clear that the racial fine line is starting to disappear. The only way we can make it disappear faster is if we stop playing the race card and see things for what they are.

All in all I don't think it is racism I just think that it is cultural ignorance.



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14 Jul 2013, 7:09 pm

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"The social crusades of the Left will never end until people accept that the entire country is a living embodiment of the Jim Crow South, and we therefore institute racist pro-black policies, and subsidies of every imaginable kind. There will be another Christopher Dorner, another Tyler Clementi, another Sandra Fluke, another Duke Lacrosse, until the country conforms to their Trinity, of Race, Gender, and Class."


Yes.


You say yes like you agree? This statement contradicts your stance.



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14 Jul 2013, 7:12 pm

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It's that way because the majority of Blacks commit crime plane and simple. This whole garbage of European wealth is non-sense.


I am not sure why people insist on digging a hole for themselves deeper and deeper. I am only responding to your post to draw attention to it.


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14 Jul 2013, 7:14 pm

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You say yes like you agree? This statement contradicts your stance.


Nope. The entire U.S. is a "living embodiment of the Jim Crow South." The rest of the statement is, well, best ignored.


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14 Jul 2013, 7:14 pm

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0bey1sh1n0b1 wrote:
It's that way because the majority of Blacks commit crime plane and simple. This whole garbage of European wealth is non-sense.


I am not sure why people insist on digging a hole for themselves deeper and deeper. I am only responding to your post to draw attention to it.


I'll dig my hole don't worry about that. The fact of the matter is I no racism better than your Jim Crow South theory.



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14 Jul 2013, 7:15 pm

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I'll dig my hole don't worry about that. The fact of the matter is I no racism better than your Jim Crow South theory.


You misspelled the word "know."


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