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28 Jul 2013, 1:57 pm

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I'd still like to know who THEY are.


My best guess is the Cigarette Smoking Man and his cabal of intelligence agents working with/against the extraterrestrial occupation. :lol:

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28 Jul 2013, 3:15 pm

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I stated a fact. If an organization like that existed, the vast majority of people would be oblivious.


A fact is a statement which is so self-evident that the vast majority of reasonably informed people would agree with it.

Your claim that most people would be oblivious to an omnipotent, omniscient oligarchy is not self-evident. It is counter-intuitive.


I think if there were a few families behind the scenes controlling our economies over many centuries, to most of us it would not be apparent.



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28 Jul 2013, 3:45 pm

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I think if there were a few families behind the scenes controlling our economies over many centuries, to most of us it would not be apparent.


To people who know little about economy and history perhaps. Economies are chaotic systems. They can´t be controlled or predicted any more than the weather can be controlled or predicted. It´s as simple as that.

Very rich people do control a significant portion of cash flow, but there are millions of little people with their little investments in their houses, savings accounts, a few stocks and bonds or pension funds. Their actions are the little eddies in the economic stream that can make it go in a completely different direction (the so-called butterfly effect).

The economy also literally depends on the weather, another chaotic system. The price of bulk foods such as wheat, rice and potatoes depends on the harvest. Coffee is twice as expensive as it was 2 years ago, and this year potatoes are nearly double the price they were last year in Europe because of a mediocre harvest. On the other hand, melons are next to nothing this year+ the supermarkets are practically giving them away (I can´t face another melon at the moment). The spendings of the little people directly influence the big guys. If I have to spend all my money on food, I can´t buy more fancy stuff like a computer, a car or save some money in a bank these big guys make their money from.



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28 Jul 2013, 4:05 pm

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I think if there were a few families behind the scenes controlling our economies over many centuries, to most of us it would not be apparent.


What you think is not evidence.


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28 Jul 2013, 5:38 pm

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They ALL, are really just fronts for the Rosacrucians!

And the Rosacrucians are really just a front for the Rothechilde family.

( or is it- the Rothchildes are a front for the Rosacrucians? I can never keep it straight!).


I find it amusing that people focus so much on the Rothschild family when there are several other more powerful and wealthier groups in the world. Such as Russian oligarchs, Indian steel magnates Warren buffet, Carlos Slim, etc, etc. I really don't get the obsession just on this one group, when they aren't even the necessarily the top players in their field anymore. It shows lack of understanding what is going on in the business world, and realistic scope of influence.

It is really lazy IMO, again I refer to my original post. If there is badness in the world look in the mirror, we are all implemented to an extent.



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29 Jul 2013, 12:36 pm

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I think if there were a few families behind the scenes controlling our economies over many centuries, to most of us it would not be apparent.


What you think is not evidence.


I never said I had evidence for anything. I never even said I believe in this theory. I just think it's worth entertaining.



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29 Jul 2013, 2:53 pm

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I never said I had evidence for anything. I never even said I believe in this theory. I just think it's worth entertaining.


Well, you keep on backing away from it. Before, you called it a fact. IMO, evidence is worth entertaining. Conspiracy theories are best left in the trash heap. I have seen many people become so totally obsessed with them that their lives were ruined.


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29 Jul 2013, 3:01 pm

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I never said I had evidence for anything. I never even said I believe in this theory. I just think it's worth entertaining.
Well, you keep on backing away from it. Before, you called it a fact. IMO, evidence is worth entertaining. Conspiracy theories are best left in the trash heap. I have seen many people become so totally obsessed with them that their lives were ruined.

It's entertaining to watch conspiricists squirm and lose their cool when confronted with the conflicts and contradictions of their beliefs. It's as much fun as confronting fundamentalist Christians with the contradictions in their Bible and the conflicts between what they believe and what the Bible actually says, and then watching them squirm and lose their cool.

:lol:



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29 Jul 2013, 5:18 pm

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It's entertaining to watch conspiricists squirm and lose their cool when confronted with the conflicts and contradictions of their beliefs. It's as much fun as confronting fundamentalist Christians with the contradictions in their Bible and the conflicts between what they believe and what the Bible actually says, and then watching them squirm and lose their cool. :lol:


It is, but I am always concerned when people on the Autism spectrum develop a special interest in something so negative and depressing. Once a person goes down that direction, selective perception, selective exposure, and selective retention take over. People then perceive, expose themselves to, and remember whatever supports the conspiracy and ignore anything that doesn't fit. "Connecting the dots" (lowbrow rationalism), so popular with many conspiracy theorists, is a poor substitute for hard empirical data.


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29 Jul 2013, 6:35 pm

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It's entertaining to watch conspiricists squirm and lose their cool when confronted with the conflicts and contradictions of their beliefs. It's as much fun as confronting fundamentalist Christians with the contradictions in their Bible and the conflicts between what they believe and what the Bible actually says, and then watching them squirm and lose their cool. :lol:


It is, but I am always concerned when people on the Autism spectrum develop a special interest in something so negative and depressing. Once a person goes down that direction, selective perception, selective exposure, and selective retention take over. People then perceive, expose themselves to, and remember whatever supports the conspiracy and ignore anything that doesn't fit. "Connecting the dots" (lowbrow rationalism), so popular with many conspiracy theorists, is a poor substitute for hard empirical data.


The dots are what They want you to connect.

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29 Jul 2013, 6:52 pm

I just got issued a shiny new black helicopter! :cheers:


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29 Jul 2013, 6:59 pm

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I just got issued a shiny new black helicopter! :cheers:

Did you get the D refit, with the neural interface and neutrino tracking suite?

Be advised - they had to remove the chemtrail nozzles to make room for the Schumann Wave generator.



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29 Jul 2013, 7:05 pm

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Fnord wrote:
It's entertaining to watch conspiricists squirm and lose their cool when confronted with the conflicts and contradictions of their beliefs. It's as much fun as confronting fundamentalist Christians with the contradictions in their Bible and the conflicts between what they believe and what the Bible actually says, and then watching them squirm and lose their cool. :lol:
It is, but I am always concerned when people on the Autism spectrum develop a special interest in something so negative and depressing.

That is a valid concern, imo. All I can do is make them question their methods, and hope that something 'clicks'.

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Once a person goes down that direction, selective perception, selective exposure, and selective retention take over. People then perceive, expose themselves to, and remember whatever supports the conspiracy and ignore anything that doesn't fit. "Connecting the dots" (lowbrow rationalism), so popular with many conspiracy theorists, is a poor substitute for hard empirical data.

I've seen this with otherwise reasonable individuals too. My neighbor is a district manager for a major banking concern. He has this theory that ties everything together from Obama's birth certificate to the evolution of AB blood types to the Schumann Wave to the Fukushima disaster to MTV's format switch to <insert name of favorite social website here>. Yet this man handles international monetary exchanges on a daily basis.



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29 Jul 2013, 7:15 pm

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I just got issued a shiny new black helicopter! :cheers:

Did you get the D refit, with the neural interface and neutrino tracking suite?

Be advised - they had to remove the chemtrail nozzles to make room for the Schumann Wave generator.


Well shoot,the chemtrails were my favorite.


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29 Jul 2013, 8:14 pm

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I've seen this with otherwise reasonable individuals too. My neighbor is a district manager for a major banking concern. He has this theory that ties everything together from Obama's birth certificate to the evolution of AB blood types to the Schumann Wave to the Fukushima disaster to MTV's format switch to <insert name of favorite social website here>. Yet this man handles international monetary exchanges on a daily basis.


Some people are able to compartmentalize their lives in that way, but their personal morality often suffers. They are willing to be believe some really bad things about their favorite bogeymen. I would not want to associate with them.

Right now, I am listening to (monitoring) a conspiratorial Internet radio show (Hagmann and Hagmann). This one guy on the show, who just goes by the name "V," is claiming that the carefully orchestrated collapse of the economy is going to produce chaos by October. My prediction: He'll be back in November with a new "prophecy."


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29 Jul 2013, 8:49 pm

Fnord wrote:
nominalist wrote:
Fnord wrote:
It's entertaining to watch conspiricists squirm and lose their cool when confronted with the conflicts and contradictions of their beliefs. It's as much fun as confronting fundamentalist Christians with the contradictions in their Bible and the conflicts between what they believe and what the Bible actually says, and then watching them squirm and lose their cool. :lol:
It is, but I am always concerned when people on the Autism spectrum develop a special interest in something so negative and depressing.

That is a valid concern, imo. All I can do is make them question their methods, and hope that something 'clicks'.

nominalist wrote:
Once a person goes down that direction, selective perception, selective exposure, and selective retention take over. People then perceive, expose themselves to, and remember whatever supports the conspiracy and ignore anything that doesn't fit. "Connecting the dots" (lowbrow rationalism), so popular with many conspiracy theorists, is a poor substitute for hard empirical data.

I've seen this with otherwise reasonable individuals too. My neighbor is a district manager for a major banking concern. He has this theory that ties everything together from Obama's birth certificate to the evolution of AB blood types to the Schumann Wave to the Fukushima disaster to MTV's format switch to <insert name of favorite social website here>. Yet this man handles international monetary exchanges on a daily basis.


A conspiracy theory about AB blood types? That's a new one to me. Any chance you can explain it?

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