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30 Sep 2013, 3:47 pm

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I believe Obamacare is actually the most divisive major legislation in US history in the technical sense, as it was passed with no GOP support whatsoever onto an electorate that largely didn't want it. It's then hardly surprising that the opposition to it is so fierce, half the country doesn't even see at is legitimate.


The electorate didn't want it? Maybe half, while the rest who oppose it feel it hadn't gone far enough. That sounds like the majority of Americans want some sort of improvement in healthcare coverage.

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30 Sep 2013, 3:49 pm

Obamacare will eliminate the death panels that private insurance companies use. You will not be excluded because of pre-existing conditions.


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30 Sep 2013, 3:53 pm

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Obamacare will eliminate the death panels that private insurance companies use. You will not be excluded because of pre-existing conditions.


For the longest time, Republican politicians had argued insurance companies were within their rights to exclude individuals with pre-existing conditions. Now, the demagog-in-chief, Ted Cruz, lamely says that will be taken care of by "reforming the market." Really, Congressman Cruz? Really? And how soon is that going to happen - if ever?

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30 Sep 2013, 4:13 pm

Mark my words. So called Obama Care will render our sh***y medical delivery system even more sh***y. Just wait and see.

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30 Sep 2013, 4:19 pm

Cruz looks like, has the ethics of and the intelligence of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy . He hates America and American values. All he cares about is Ted Cruz.
Here are some of the lies about Obamacare that fox “news” and other tabloids tell,
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/08 ... are-myths/
http://mediamatters.org/video/2013/09/2 ... o-m/196114
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/09/17 ... -ju/195913
http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/0 ... age/196102
The fact is, is that when an American is asked about each provision of Obamacare , he/she is overwhelmingly in favor of it. Unfortunately, some people watch fox “news” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/2 ... 06305.html


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30 Sep 2013, 4:19 pm

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I believe Obamacare is actually the most divisive major legislation in US history in the technical sense, as it was passed with no GOP support whatsoever onto an electorate that largely didn't want it. It's then hardly surprising that the opposition to it is so fierce, half the country doesn't even see at is legitimate.


Its chicken and egg. We live in highly partisan times where Republicans did not want to hand Democrats a generational victory. Even though it was originally a Republican plan. Single-payer would have been much more divisive and still had zero R votes. Democrats just get those pesky super majorities much more often than Republicans. They might get another one in 2016 with 24 R seats and 10 Ds up in a Presidential year.

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All he cares about is Ted Cruz.
Here are some of the lies about Obamacare that fox “news” and other tabloids tell,


Cruz is one man clown show who has already split the GOP. He won't get anywhere close to the nomination in a party that sent Romney and McCain. NY and California Republicans vote too.



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30 Sep 2013, 4:43 pm

Ted Cruz is great, he'll scare the moderates into supporting Rand Paul. The time of John McCain and George Bush are over in the GOP.



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30 Sep 2013, 5:10 pm

I don't know what would happen to local torism here,the Buffalo National river is our main income.But it won't stop the locals from getting on the river :P It would be a nice float with no loud tourists,banging the paddles on the side of the canoe.You can hear them comming a mile away,and they whoop and yell a lot,and leave trash,s**t on the trails and beaches :evil: They are a blessing and a curse.They water gets scummy with suntan lotion and shampoo from them.They get rocks from the the creek and build a fire in a ring of them,creek rocks are full of water and kind of explode when heated.As soon as they see any snake they freak out and try to hit it with a paddle.But all the trails would be open,so they can just trot down those.
Most people here don't care for Park much,after they stole all that land that people did not want to sell,land that had been in families for generations.


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30 Sep 2013, 6:03 pm

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Social Security wouldn't be effected by a government shutdown.


For now - but wait more than a month, and that may not be the case if the idiot shutdown is still going on. But what about paying our service men and women? Or paying government workers who handle the day to day affairs of running important government agencies? And what are you going to tell that child who was looking forward to going to a zoo, or museum, or national park that depends on government funds?

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Social security, Medicaid/Medicare, and military paychecks will not be affected. The zoos, museums and parks that use federal funds will not open, and only employees who feed the zoo animals will get paychecks. I've gotten the message that I will not be working tomorrow (unless they pass something by midnight). I have been deemed non-essential. There is only going to be 1 person working in the Radiation Safety department that will not be furloughed. No paycheck for me for. :cry:


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30 Sep 2013, 6:20 pm

You realize a government shutdown is just a politician's version of let's get high in an undisclosed foreign country.
You don't shut down a government, you go home after voting, as is done according to schedule, then come back when the people f'n tell you your vacation is over. What changed? Did every politician get elephantiasis? Look out, here come the idiots who think all of America are idiots, oh wait, that's our government.


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30 Sep 2013, 6:24 pm

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I don't know what would happen to local torism here,the Buffalo National river is our main income.But it won't stop the locals from getting on the river :P It would be a nice float with no loud tourists,banging the paddles on the side of the canoe.You can hear them comming a mile away,and they whoop and yell a lot,and leave trash,sh** on the trails and beaches :evil: They are a blessing and a curse.They water gets scummy with suntan lotion and shampoo from them.They get rocks from the the creek and build a fire in a ring of them,creek rocks are full of water and kind of explode when heated.As soon as they see any snake they freak out and try to hit it with a paddle.But all the trails would be open,so they can just trot down those.
Most people here don't care for Park much,after they stole all that land that people did not want to sell,land that had been in families for generations.


My word, exploding rocks?!?!?!?! 8O

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30 Sep 2013, 6:46 pm

^^^We'll the water is cold,the rocks have soaked awhile.They also put canned food in the fire without poking holes in the cans.
By the way,on the bug report I found a centipede in the kitchen sink the other day 8O And now I swear I have a wasp/scorpion thing in the garden.I took pictures,it has a curly scorpion tail but it has wings.Oh s**t.


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30 Sep 2013, 6:46 pm

Double damm post.


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30 Sep 2013, 6:56 pm

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^^^We'll the water is cold,the rocks have soaked awhile.They also put canned food in the fire without poking holes in the cans.
By the way,on the bug report I found a centipede in the kitchen sink the other day 8O And now I swear I have a wasp/scorpion thing in the garden.I took pictures,it has a curly scorpion tail but it has wings.Oh sh**.


Are you sure you don't have a portal to another universe in your yard? This sounds like the sort of horrors H.P. Lovecraft would have written about! 8O

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30 Sep 2013, 7:11 pm

^^^I have wondered about that,I am living below a sacred Native bluff site,no joke.I find arrowheads and flint chips here regularly.There was also an X -Files bug,it looked just like it would crawl up a nose,black and slim.Maybe the nymph form of a black helicopter. :lol:


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30 Sep 2013, 7:14 pm

on the subject of this thread, tomorrow is the big day [the exchanges open for business].