Everyone Hates Feminists

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You may be sane, but I've spoken to more than a few gun-rights activists who are exactly the people whom I don't think should be carrying guns, i.e. they think that they can strut around with their cc Glock and threaten to shoot anyone who cuts them off on the freeway... sort of like the lawyers who threaten to sue anyone who looks at them 'wrong,' except with a gun.

Wrt. the OP, I consider myself an environmentalist in that I recycle, drive a little bug-car, try to eat organic, don't eat a lot of meat, etc, etc, etc... but I do find some environmentalists annoying when they turn it into a sort of anti-human religion ('the planet would be better off without us,' sort of thing) that is not grounded in science or reality. The ones who go around saying 'Science says... science says... science says...' are particularly annoying. I don't usually identify myself as an environmentalist, for that reason.

I also consider myself a feminist, and I do identify myself as one largely, I suppose, because I have never actually met anyone embodying the negative stereotypes of what a 'bad' feminist (a misandrist) is supposed to be. The feminists I know, read, and speak to largely like men (even the lesbians), and really do want equality.
I have come across a few anti-science feminists ('hospital births are a plot of the patriarchy!' if not in so many words), but mostly feminists are really smart women who want to make the world a better place.

Kind of proves my point about counter productive activism; there's a large schism within the gun community over open carry, with many feeling that it's more harmful than helpful. Personally, I'd just like to see it normalized, as I hate having to wear bulky clothing when it's hot out, and if it shows some people that we're not all frightening hillbillies, that's just a bonus. You have to realize that we hate the type of gun owner you're describing as much if not more than you do, as they give the rest of us a bad name; the vast, vast majority of gun owners are more like me than like them. I am a bit unusual even among the gun crowd though, not a lot of people choose to get a formal education on firearms, and even among those who do, the laser like AS focus is pretty rare.

What I mean by the hedgehog thing is that there would be no such thing as gun rights activists if there were no anti gun activists, we'd just be people that owned guns living our lives; it's only the threat to our rights that causes us to get political and throw our weight around. Our posture is completely defensive, we're not trying to push anything on anyone, just be left alone. Believe me, I'm SO tired of arguing about guns with people, but I'm afraid to stop lest we start to lose our freedoms, and there is so much bad information out there, it's really disheartening sometimes.



This actually makes me think of my advice to people when talking about their AS in personal ads; describe yourself perfectly but don't actually say the word 'autistic', cause people will make all sorts of generalizations about you if you do. I do this a lot with politics actually, I hate being stereotyped, so I *refuse* to identify with most political causes lest people make assumptions about me. I don't have much of a choice with the gun stuff, but even then I'm not part of any organization or anything, just too much baggage.



Ah, my ex was a CNA in a birth center with designs on being a midwife, and she could go on at some length about the evil conspiracy of hospital births and such; she had a particular objection to C-sections. I also had the misfortune to meet one of those true misandrist feminists as a fairly young man, an older woman who I think would be classified as Second Wave, that obviously hated me for no reason I could ever determine. It left a bad taste in my mouth, a lasting one. For me anyway, I know intellectually that I agree with most of the stated goals of feminism, that the vast majority of people who identify as such are reasonable people with laudable goals, and yet when I hear the word my mind instantly goes to Scandinavian feminists trying to get urinals removed from public restrooms, as "the upright posture reinforces the male feeling of dominance" and other stupid things in that vein. I'm aware it's a bad habit, yet for some reason I can't seem to break the negative association, regardless of what I tell myself about how I "should" feel.

I do something similar when I hear that someone is religious, though in that case I can use a very specific word; lame. For whatever reason, my personal objection to religion, beyond the whole lack of faith in the supernatural part, is that I think of it as so uncool. I don't know why that is, there isn't anything in my past to make that association, it's just how I emotionally react. Weird, huh?

^^^^What's frightening about a hillbilly?

The media gives the most exposure to those with the most extreme views, because they are the most entertaining to watch. So, we hear a lot about PETA and Femi-nazis and other fringe thinkers, so much so that we sometimes mistake their views as mainstream. Then, no one wants to be called a feminist or an environmentalist because they don't want to be associated with a bunch of whack-a-dos. Makes perfect sense to me.

The fact that they have never met one in real life and the only representation they have ever seen ranges from wrong turn to squidbillys.

The problem for me, though, is that with or without activism, if YOU get to CC, then THEY get to CC too. Or open carry. That's why I want things like background checks; because I don't want THOSE guys having guns... and, to add to the problem, a lot of them claim to be the 'reasonable, law-abiding' gun owners at the same time that they're talking about "needing" an arsenal big enough to turn their own house into swiss cheese "in case they get attacked by an armed gang of thugs."

Sort of like what writing instructors tell authors: show, don't tell.


*flinch*
Yeah, the Scandanavian feminists seem to be a whole 'nother kettle of fish. They seem to exist primarily to Poe the whole idea of feminism.


Stimulus, response.

So basically, what you're saying is the media is an entertainment business.

The thing is though, that that scenario really isn't born out, even in states like my own where anyone can open carry and a CCW permit is given to anyone who hasn't DQed themselves; we commit crime at a much lower level than the general public, even with those bad apples in the barrel. I also think you've seen me make the list before for shooting sports that gets pretty long pretty quick; deer rifle, duck gun, turkey gun, .22 for plinking, light gauge over/under for upland game, .44 mag for fishing in bear country, semi auto rifle, pistol and shotgun for 3 gun matches, 2 revolvers, shotgun, and lever action carbine for shooting cowboy action, .22-250 varmint gun, big game rifle for elk and bear, tuned up pistol for IDPA matches, bowling pin gun, double barrel for sporting clays... It's just like with tools, you don't use a hammer to tighten screws or a screwdriver to pound nails, and although some tools have wide applications, there's usually a specialist that will do the job better; a full gun safe is just another form of well stocked toolbox.



Exactly! Some of my biggest pet peeves when I see people write about themselves are statements like "I'm smart and funny", I always want to tell them to say something smart or say something funny and let people draw their own conclusions, it's way more effective that way and doesn't come off as arrogant. I think I've said this exact thing in L&D a few times, not that it's done much good.



You've got the Scandinavian feminists, I've got Ted Nugent... Actually, I'm not sure which is worse.

L&D = labor and delivery?
or, with a little thought on the context, the love & dating forum.

I think part of my lack of understanding, here, is 'just how inconvenient is it to get a background check, and how inconvenient is it to wait a few days before getting a gun'? I've sold and bought cars via private sale before, and even though we had to register the sale thorough the DMV, it really wasn't that big of a deal. It seems like a *really* small sacrifice - granted, I'm not the one making that sacrifice, but if... say...
Well, I was going to say, 'if we had to register computers that were bought and sold,' but actually that would really tick me off. But a better metaphor would be martial arts weapons: if I had to have a background check before I could buy a bokken, or a katana, or even a shinai - but the payoff was that I could carry them with me, and use them for self-defense if needed - I wouldn't mind that much.

But, what if I want to shoot someone NOW? I don't want to wait for some government background check.

The second amendment is quite clear:

Government background checks represent an infringement on my right to shoot whom I please.

You will just have to take them out the old fashioned way,first you find a nice big slinging rock....
A slingshot could be just as deadly,take Goliath for example.

But, what if I miss?!?!?!?

Any woman who either asks for or expects a raise at work is a feminist even if she doesn't like to admit it and with all this stigma, who can blame her. Plus, there's the extremists giving the idea of equality a bad name.

You can also miss with a gun.You should practice first.Because rock or bullet,they are going to be pissed.

I want one of those automatic rifles that shoots 20 bullets at once. Then, I will be unlikely to miss.

I'm too old to use a sling. I might hurt myself.

"Hey murderer!"
"What?"
"Why not stop shooting people? You do know guns are not allowed to be open carried in th...."
BAM.....
Moral of the post, people will find a way, even in dictatorships like North Korea.
"Hey traitor!"
"What?"
"Why not stop stabbing peopluuugh........"
Stab, slash, stab, kick, stab......
Laws like gun control laws don't enforce other laws like laws against murder, they just
encourage creativeness, which is actually in a way is much worse.