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18 Oct 2013, 1:24 pm

zer0netgain wrote:
sonofghandi wrote:
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He submits an UNWORKABLE budget proposal.

He can't be credited for presenting a cow pie and calling it gellato.


As opposed to the House Republicans?


There's a difference between a budget proposal his own party won't touch and a budget proposal the other side refuses to even have a debate over.

Congress is supposed to debate in an effort to find a compromise and then consensus. When the other side won't even open the floor for debate, that's being obstructionist.



The President doesnt pass a budget. His wish list is broken down and incorporated as Congress sees fit. Despite that both Obama and Bush and every other President had some of their priorities adopted. As for obstruction the Senate Democrats have tried to start the reconciliation process to finalize a budget 19 times this year. The GOP stopped it every time. There is no real interest in a budget without a deal arranged beforehand.

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Without that leverage, House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said Tuesday, there is no point in opening formal budget negotiations between the House and the Senate, because Democrats have no reason to consider the kind of far-reaching changes to Medicare and the U.S. tax code that Republicans see as fundamental building blocks of a deal


That's Paul Ryan admitting earlier this year that there was no reason to go to reconciliation and get a budget because they lost the election and can't get what they want. The hostage taking was the "leverage" they decided on instead of winning an election. So now Ryan and Murray will go talk and don't be surprised when they can't agree on squat.



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18 Oct 2013, 3:50 pm

zer0netgain wrote:
sonofghandi wrote:
zer0netgain wrote:
He submits an UNWORKABLE budget proposal.

He can't be credited for presenting a cow pie and calling it gellato.


As opposed to the House Republicans?


There's a difference between a budget proposal his own party won't touch and a budget proposal the other side refuses to even have a debate over.

Congress is supposed to debate in an effort to find a compromise and then consensus. When the other side won't even open the floor for debate, that's being obstructionist.


You do realize that Republicans were refusing to negotiate, don't you? When someone says, "let's negotiate, as long as you give me exactly what I want" doesn't count as negotiation.


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18 Oct 2013, 3:56 pm

sonofghandi wrote:
zer0netgain wrote:
sonofghandi wrote:
zer0netgain wrote:
He submits an UNWORKABLE budget proposal.

He can't be credited for presenting a cow pie and calling it gellato.


As opposed to the House Republicans?


There's a difference between a budget proposal his own party won't touch and a budget proposal the other side refuses to even have a debate over.

Congress is supposed to debate in an effort to find a compromise and then consensus. When the other side won't even open the floor for debate, that's being obstructionist.


You do realize that Republicans were refusing to negotiate, don't you? When someone says, "let's negotiate, as long as you give me exactly what I want" doesn't count as negotiation.


Versus "we won't negotiate and you will give me exactly what I want"?

This whole thing was a joke. Boehner must be removed as speaker and McConnell has to go as well.



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18 Oct 2013, 4:00 pm

Jacoby wrote:
sonofghandi wrote:
zer0netgain wrote:
sonofghandi wrote:
zer0netgain wrote:
He submits an UNWORKABLE budget proposal.

He can't be credited for presenting a cow pie and calling it gellato.


As opposed to the House Republicans?


There's a difference between a budget proposal his own party won't touch and a budget proposal the other side refuses to even have a debate over.

Congress is supposed to debate in an effort to find a compromise and then consensus. When the other side won't even open the floor for debate, that's being obstructionist.


You do realize that Republicans were refusing to negotiate, don't you? When someone says, "let's negotiate, as long as you give me exactly what I want" doesn't count as negotiation.


Versus "we won't negotiate and you will give me exactly what I want"?

This whole thing was a joke. Boehner must be removed as speaker and McConnell has to go as well.


Not arguing that the Democrats refused to negotiate on the ACA (other than stiffening up the verification for subsidies), just that you can't point the finger for a reason that applies to those from whom you are trying to divert all blame.


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