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23 Oct 2013, 11:10 pm

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The rifles they use in the Olympics are top notch engineering capable of putting multiple bullets through the same hole, which makes them go for thousands even when they aren't custom fited

Surely they have starter (non-Olympic quality) models?



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23 Oct 2013, 11:11 pm

Did you try your local national forest? Usually they have public ranges.


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23 Oct 2013, 11:56 pm

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Surely they have starter (non-Olympic quality) models?
Well, there is accurate and then there is Anschultz. There are three positions in Olympic shooting Standing kneeling and prone. Standing requires the shooter to kick their hip out and stick their elbow just below your last floating rib and above the hip. Kneeling require the shooter to sit on the heel of their foot just below the tail bone while balancing the flat part of the elbow on the flat part of the knee. Prone is a little less specialized but still requires a balanced rifle that fits comfortably to the shooter. The problem is that all of these positions are total bone support that are very stable but finicky. If the rifle does not fit perfectly you will crane your head or use a muscle that will cause movement. This grade of target shooting is insanely complicated and is all about consistency ( they compete to hit a target the same size as a the bullet repetitively ). For example I can shoot an aspirin at 100 feet with iron sight, but ask my to do that ten times in a row? Forget about it, after the third shot my modified Glenfield's unlapped barrel will throw even the most perfect shot to the top left. An Olympic rifle is a fine strad compared to the factory rifles available to the average consumer. I would say you would need to spend around one- half to two grand for a decent entry model.


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24 Oct 2013, 3:03 am

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/\ I never tried a Bullpup rifle. It obviously makes it possible to shorten the length of the rifle, but I've heard that the SA-80 doesn't handle recoil very well...


The real problem with bullpup firearms tends to be the trigger, as the position of the action in relationship to the trigger necessitates a rather long connecting linkage of some sort, and long heavy trigger control parts that have more places to generate frictions and drag tend to produce crappy trigger pulls. It is possible to get a decent trigger in a bullpup, but it's a whole lot more work than with a conventional action. I had a neat idea when I was in school to use a small hydraulic piston to connect the trigger and the sear, but couldn't figure out a way to make it reset properly.


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24 Oct 2013, 3:56 am

I don't know if we have any shooting ranges in the area at all.

On the other hand, we have plenty of open space (about 1.5 people per square mile) so we really don't need any shooting ranges.



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24 Oct 2013, 4:34 am

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@Dox, that range sounds ridiculous.


Oh, that barely begins to describe it, but this wasn't exactly a range, it was a machine gun shoot held in a farmer's field, where we had 13 miles of empty space beyond the range, so that we could even shoot at a 45 degree angle without risk of hitting anything downrange. People came from all over the country to shoot there, we had a guy firing a 57mm field gun, a guy showed up with a Carl Gustav anti tank weapon, a few bowling ball mortars were there, belt fed guns, silenced guns, automatic shotguns, the works. All safe, all legal.


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24 Oct 2013, 5:14 am

This thread makes me wonder what it is about weapons that so intrigue humans. I would not be adverse to firing a gun at a shooting range, I had an air rifle as a kid and shot at targets in the back yard. Rather than shooting a gun I am more interested in taking up archery, same concept different mechanism. So what it is about weapons that can potentially even get pacifists interested given the correct non aggressive environment ?


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24 Oct 2013, 5:34 am

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This thread makes me wonder what it is about weapons that so intrigue humans. I would not be adverse to firing a gun at a shooting range, I had an air rifle as a kid and shot at targets in the back yard. Rather than shooting a gun I am more interested in taking up archery, same concept different mechanism. So what it is about weapons that can potentially even get pacifists interested given the correct non aggressive environment ?


I've often wondered that myself. I've certainly seen it in action, put a cool looking gun in their hand, and even the most ardently opposed people will start copping poses and checking themselves out in the mirror; it's one of my favorite in person conversion tactics, and an excellent prelude to a trip to the range. I've got a Desert Eagle and a Walther with a silencer, either one usually does the trick.


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24 Oct 2013, 5:41 am

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How fat and tall are man sized targets in Denmark? :P


When I went to Denmark, I found that most of the people there were quite slim. Didn't see that many fat people.



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24 Oct 2013, 9:50 am

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This thread makes me wonder what it is about weapons that so intrigue humans. I would not be adverse to firing a gun at a shooting range, I had an air rifle as a kid and shot at targets in the back yard. Rather than shooting a gun I am more interested in taking up archery, same concept different mechanism. So what it is about weapons that can potentially even get pacifists interested given the correct non aggressive environment ?
I can't speak for everyone, but for me it's all about relaxing and pushing the limits of what is possible with the human body. To really shoot well, whether it is a bow, rifle or pistol, you have to be totally relaxed and free of wandering thoughts. When you are that focused you can hit a spray paint can at 100 yards with iron sights on the first shot, or an apple at 150 feet with a recurve bow.
It's kind of like scoring a hole in one with that , "holly sh!t,look at what I can do" moment.


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24 Oct 2013, 3:57 pm

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Have done so.
Did you enjoy the experience?

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I sort of am interested in the idea of of shooting deer for meat
A regular Ray Mears.


Do you get Ray in the states? Yes I am a fan of his. I wouldn't mind going to one of his workshops, or a talk.



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24 Oct 2013, 5:16 pm

By the way, many years ago (like in the 1930s or 1940s), my grandmother's chickens were being pestered by one of her nearest neighbor's dog. (The neighbor lived approximately 1.5 miles away across the field.) One day she shot a rifle into the air to scare the dog away. The bullet came down and hit the dog, killing it. She never did have the nerve to tell the neighbors that she shot their dog.



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24 Oct 2013, 6:44 pm

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Sounds like we have enough people here to create the worlds first international autistic shooting competition. Imagine the media coverage.


I'll sponsor that!


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24 Oct 2013, 7:02 pm

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Do you get Ray in the states?
No, but I have a few of his books and have watched some shows on youtube. He has got to be the best survival expert I have ever seen.

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By the way, many years ago (like in the 1930s or 1940s), my grandmother's chickens were being pestered by one of her nearest neighbor's dog. (The neighbor lived approximately 1.5 miles away across the field.) One day she shot a rifle into the air to scare the dog away. The bullet came down and hit the dog, killing it. She never did have the nerve to tell the neighbors that she shot their dog.
Yea, I smell a tall tale. I would say she shot towards the dog and hit it by accident.


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24 Oct 2013, 9:16 pm

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Surely they have starter (non-Olympic quality) models?
Well, there is accurate and then there is Anschultz. There are three positions in Olympic shooting Standing kneeling and prone. Standing requires the shooter to kick their hip out and stick their elbow just below your last floating rib and above the hip. Kneeling require the shooter to sit on the heel of their foot just below the tail bone while balancing the flat part of the elbow on the flat part of the knee. Prone is a little less specialized but still requires a balanced rifle that fits comfortably to the shooter. The problem is that all of these positions are total bone support that are very stable but finicky. If the rifle does not fit perfectly you will crane your head or use a muscle that will cause movement. This grade of target shooting is insanely complicated and is all about consistency ( they compete to hit a target the same size as a the bullet repetitively ). For example I can shoot an aspirin at 100 feet with iron sight, but ask my to do that ten times in a row? Forget about it, after the third shot my modified Glenfield's unlapped barrel will throw even the most perfect shot to the top left. An Olympic rifle is a fine strad compared to the factory rifles available to the average consumer. I would say you would need to spend around one- half to two grand for a decent entry model.

Well, darn. That's why I never pursued scuba diving, after getting my license... the equipment is just too damn expensive. Horses, too.



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24 Oct 2013, 9:25 pm

Too late for me - got a membership, just gotta get up there more often. :(

Ammo got expensive though.

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As you "shoot" a target and "fire" a weapon, I presume you mean lining up a gun downrange and actually firing at it.

Yeah, I suppose I'd feel silly doing that.

:P

Yeah, that's a bit like shooting full cans of beer.