Do most aspies like offending people with religious talk?

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If you could wave a magic wand and make mainstream organized religion disappear over night it would be very quickly be replaced by something else, in fact there are plenty of "ism's" already doing that now.

I was eating dinner in a restaurant and posting on my laptop something on a financial blog about Japans debt situation and a guy saw it and thought he found a kindred spirit. He though I was a believer in the ends of the world too. I am guessing he may have been a good sheep at this church run by Raul Ries as it is close by.

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Raul is slippery, corrupt and an expert manipulator. Not only could he sell ice to Eskimos he would make them feel guilty for not maxing out there credit cards to buy more. He is also a creative back stabber extraordinaire. This guy is very good at what he does. But if you are expecting from Raul logic, verifiable honesty and a two way conversation its never going to happen.

Anyways the guy came up to me and expected I would go along with you believe in Jesus. And launched into the world coming to an end, he assumed I would agree. I nicely point blank said I don't. Not to his fault, his sense of physical geography was pretty bad as was his Middle Eastern history. I quickly pointed out the glaring inaccuracies which left him a little befuddled. I launch into Jesus, a founder of a religion, could be more like a Charles Manson character as he was able to get his radically devoted followers to break all the rules, he probably did not know who Charles Manson was. Alister Crowley is a very good one too, my point was the sanitized version of Jesus is socially completely impossible.

In my opinion this guy was actually an ok guy and we would get along just fine in spite of his religion.

There are a small number of individuals here on Wrong Planet that seem to start so many religious bashing threads and insult believers so vehemently that I wonder if they secretly fear the existence of a God they are plainly on the wrong side of, and so viciously fight such a notion, much in the way the sort of men who are most hostile to Homosexuals often have homosexual tendencies they themselves have and are frightened by.

The problem is that religious people often get offended if you merely suggest that their beliefs aren't based on reality. It's not that I enjoy offending them, as my goal is to turn religious people into atheists. It's a defensive reaction to questioning one's deeply help worldview.

The purely natural cause for love and creativity is the material brain. Grace is a religious concept, but religion is also produced by the material brain.

As far as your second question, they could simply have been deluded. Plenty of people fall for an ideology. We don't really know the fate of the apostles, if there were any. We don't know if Jesus himself claimed to be God, or was simply a zealot and revolutionary who challenged the Roman occupation and was executed for it, as were others for the same crime.

The members of the Heaven's Gate cult also sacrificed themselves, does that mean there really was a spaceship waiting for them behind the Hale-Bop comet?

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It's not religion per se that I have a problem with, it's faith in a God. And secondarily, faith in general, which I define as belief in things without valid legitimate evidence to do so. Religions can encompass all sorts of teachings, and can be atheistic.

Yes, it's always fair game. Go ahead and try to convert me. I see that as an opportunity for meaningful dialogue. In fact I would be insulted if you thought my soul was in peril and you didn't.

It would be much easier to respect religious people if it weren't for their unapologetic gay bashing. To me thats the main reason why religious people are disliked; they continually cling onto and enforce hateful views that incompatible with the modern context.

I think for that reason buddhist or hindu people (afaik the only major religions that don't attack sexual diversity in any shape or form) don't recieve the amount of criticism that Christianity or Islam does.

Even from a christian or muslim perspective, it makes no sense to be homophobic. Christ himself, and the quaran was silent on the issue of homosexuality and preached a line of non judgement.

The bottom line is, aspies tend to be intelligent and excessively honest. So if someone is spouting a load of superstitious nonsense on this forum, they will get told, "that is a load of superstitious nonsense" and words won't be minced.

Okay. Have you had more success converting people to Atheism using language that can be taken offensively or by basically sweet talking?

What I'm saying is that for some, any questioning of their worldview will seem offensive. I do think that a polite approach is more appropriate for convincing theists of their mistakes. However, being brutally blunt is oriented more to my fellow atheists, in a sense to rally the troops.

Sweet talking is something religious people trying to convert others tend to do, but it does come off as very insincere.

Your question seems to be based upon the assumption that Christians are sitting around all innocent-like and they are being unfairly attacked. I disagree with that assumption.

I have no problems with liberal or moderate Christians, those of the to each their own attitude. It's the whacko nutjobs. They are constantly trying to push and legislate their particular view of beliefs and morality. Trying to legislate no gay marriage, no medicinal marijuana, denying their kids vaccines, trying to push their fairy tales into my kids school curriculum. About a year ago, whenever I walked around my office, I had to read bible quotes about how I was going to hell. (Note: Had to. Posting of any religious quotes is now banned.)

I think your question points the finger in the wrong direction.

Okay, I understand what you mean. Do you think it's possible that Atheism could be a religious belief? I said I saw people on here attacking religious beliefs, I thought that would have included all of them.

+1.

I am religious myself, but I do certainly believe that religion needs to be made fun of, ridiculed, slandered and be subject to outright blasphemy.

My religious belief is built upon philosophy, drawing upon a mix of Western and Asian philosophies.
This is only possible through being blasphemous.

With that said though, I do believe that religion needs to be dealt with on a religious basis. What I mean by that is to
actually fight religion with its own means, in terms of Bible archeology, excavations and research and study.

You will find that you get a lot better understanding of ancient Judaism and early Christianity that way. You also get a lot better understanding of how the ancient world and philosophy and religion worked like
You will find that ancient religion drew upon philosophical considerations, rather than the belief in the afterlife, which is a much, much later concept.



Atheism is, as the word clearly states - NON-belief. It is void of religion or any other belief.

You can't say atheism is a religion.

It is a-theism. Theism being religion. A as in NOT. A-Theism = No religion.

I was just talking again with my grandfather earlier on, as we always tend to have really intelligent thoughtful discussions, and he told me about this one time a friend of his became a Jehovah's Witness and tried to convert him. My grandfather asked him "What if I've never heard of Jehovah at all? What if I was living in the deepest jungles of Brazil or in the Arctic. Would I still get to heaven?" and his friend told him that he would if that were the case, but that after hearing about Jehovah he would have to accept him if he wanted to get to heaven. They continued debating this, and eventually his friend just left and never came back.

Now judging by my grandfather's criticism of organized religion, I doubt he actually believes in an afterlife, but he raised a good point, in that when some religions try to convert people, they essentially throw the people they are trying to convert "under the bus"; as if they're saying "OK, you've heard about my faith, now convert or be subjected to eternal damnation!"