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Yeah, and the news media doesn’t have an agenda.


Which Americans? Are you trying to say that we all are shooting each other?


Given its comparatively small population, Canada has a fairly high violent crime rate.


It’s to defend against tyrannical government in general. The 2nd Amendment was post-revolution and had nothing to do with British rule.



Hyperbole


I’d rather have the gun and the joint.


To avoid coming off as a fool, maybe do some research on US gun laws.......

As far as I know, it's still against the law in all 50 states, district, and territories to just shoot someone for stepping on your property. Texas comes close in that there are a few, and I mean a very specific few conditions codified in law that make it legal to shoot someone over property, versus shooting someone to protect against immenent harm against yourself and others.

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aaand your point is…?

Well said. It's telling how some people run off on a rant when the internet is just under their fingers. I believe it helps tell when a person has made up their mind without facts.

As far as guns being dangerous what should you say about a machete? Recently they were used to kill over a million (1,000,000) in Africa, all during the same period. So it should be seen by all as proving guns are not the worst weapons used, just more modern. Another example would be the ever more popular slashings in Great Britain; assaults have risen greatly there since guns were confiscated.

In Montreal I was assured by a local cabbie that there were more killings per population there than New York, which coupled with stats from Toronto and we can begin to say differences between our countries is almost nil when viewed from the perspective of large population centers (and their associated crime, drugs, etc.).

The reason always comes back to greed, either by the person that robs you or the dictator stealing from millions.

For anyone wanting facts, they can be viewed on the NRA site or many official government sites. The interesting stats. (for me) to read are the infinitesimal number of crimes by people legally licensed to carry a firearm; these citizens are NOT the ones to worry about, and in fact with FBI background checks and all they're the safest of people.

It IS interesting though that some countries where the right to bear arms has been reversed and the government has CONFISCATED their citizens PRIVATE PROPERTY the deprived people of these countries come around to plea "Why won't you be like us?" And my answer is "Because we're FREE citizens of our country and we have a CONSTITUTION" to define and protect OUR rights against government confiscation, unlike your country." See? It's very simple.

U.SA has the highest gun deaths in the first world where it is the most easiest to get guns

And you didn't perhaps think that the US has the most gun deaths in the world because we have the most guns in the world? And other developed countries have nearly double the violent crime rate that the US has.

Just make sure you have another graph that will show the over one million people killed in Rwanda with machetes and perhaps another showing slashings around the world and how many they've had in London today. And there's the stats. NOT INCLUDED with the gun killings which is the greatest majority are killings of and by criminals killing each other; these ARE NOT innocent people being shot. I'm not condoning or denying anything, I just cast doubt on uninformed, partially true statements and phony statistics.

It was author Mark Twain that said "Figures lie, and liars figure."

I am talking about DEVELOPED NATIONS Rwanda is not a developed nation know the difference between the 2 categories

and only folks who see stats they don't agree love to say quotes about figures lie other similar quotes which does not invalidate the charts

sephardic-male

Trying to argue with gun people, that guns should be completely controled, is like trying to convince a chimp that this planet is spherical. It's just not going to happen. It's a waste of time. There are even people here that think that civilians should be able to aquire nuclear wheapons. What can you say to a person like this?

Prove it.

In all the gunz-r-bad debates we've had, the gun haters have never once brought anything remotely valid to the table.
Hyperbole and pointless agenda driven statistics don't count.

How about murder rates in general in developed nations? guns aren't the only weapons used for that in developed nations.

Sure it does. If it can be shown the charts were devised to only show YOUR point of view, and not a true comparison of the salient facts....all of them, then they're invalid.

For example why do you choose only developed countries??????? Is it because people in many undeveloped countries HAVE access to guns while many (Great B., Canada, etc.) have CONFISCATED guns from their people??????? Hardly a fair showing on your graph is it??? To be fair why not compare countries where people have the right to own a weapon????? More accurate now???

All you've shown with your chart is how to overly/narrowly define an argument to your advantage.

How about the real reason the 2nd amendment exists.

It's the last line of defense for this country. A well armed population is pretty much impossible to invade.

That's *one* reason. Not any more important than any of the other reasons - and, in my opinion, one of the least relevant right now.