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05 Jan 2014, 7:12 pm

puddingmouse wrote:

This standard doesn't apply to porn and strip clubs....there's less personal involvement there than actually sticking your penis into someone....

Lap dances are okay?

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05 Jan 2014, 7:31 pm

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Why do you have transwomen in brackets?

Because they are often a neglected group when talking about prostitution, like male prostitutes are. They are women, but their clients often see them specifically because they have a fetish for transwomen, so they have to deal with that fetishisation....

Actually, from what I understand, they are reputed experts in the fine art of fellatio.

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05 Jan 2014, 8:48 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:

puddingmouse wrote:

This standard doesn't apply to porn and strip clubs....there's less personal involvement there than actually sticking your penis into someone....

Lap dances are okay?

It wouldn't be a deal breaker unless it got to the point where it was affecting the sex life I was having with my partner. I'd still prefer them not to buy them. If it was their stag do and someone else bought it for them, I guess it wouldn't be quite as bad.

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05 Jan 2014, 8:50 pm

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This standard doesn't apply to porn and strip clubs simply because whilst the sex workers in those areas are doing sexual things purely for money rather than pleasure, they aren't having sex with the people themselves. You could argue that morally, it's the same thing, but there's less personal involvement there than actually sticking your penis into someone. It's like the difference between someone buying consumer goods made in a sweatshop and someone owning a sweatshop - and no I'm not implying prostitution is inherently exploitative like sweatshops are (though it can be) it was just the only analogy that came to mind.

Dox also asked about massages. What about people who pay for the happy ending? So long as you're not penetrating the masseuse herself?

Same as with lapdances (but a bit worse because of the direct genital contact involved.) But I doubt a partner could use either habitually without it affecting our relationship. To be honest, I would be disgusted if they paid for just one erotic massage, but I'm not absolutely sure if it would be a deal-breaker. I wouldn't like it, nevertheless.

I draw a clear line at penetration because of the vulnerability involved in that act, but I'd also feel the same way if I was in a lesbian relationship and my partner was paying for oral sex because I see that in a similar way.

I realise this might seem weird and arbitrary, but my thinking is 'if they could treat sex that way with someone else, what's to stop them from treating it that way with me?' I just don't want to be with someone who sees any sex act I do, but especially the more vulnerable ones, as a service.

Also, I wouldn't pay for either a lapdance or an erotic massage myself. I prefer a partner with a similar mentality to me regarding sex because I find that fosters trust and makes the sex I have with them more enjoyable. Those two aren't absolutes but they're strong preferences.

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05 Jan 2014, 9:13 pm

It might be difficult to find someone whose sexual appetite exactly matches your own. Either he's hornier than you are, or you're hornier than he is. The rule would seem to be no coitus unless both parties are horny. Otherwise, one party would be doing the other party a service.

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05 Jan 2014, 9:23 pm

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We're both horny most of the time, and if either of us isn't (and this has happened)...then we don't have sex. The amount of times both of us are horny is much more often than not, so it's easy peasy.

However, I used to be with a partner who wanted virtually no sex with me for years and I never thought for one second of doing it with him unless he wanted it. It did get to the point where I realised that this situation was bad and I did what I thought was the right thing and broke up with him. The wrong thing to do would've been to coerce or emotionally blackmail him. I couldn't bring myself to do that.

If my sex drive disappeared tomorrow, I'd want my partner to either break up with me or be in an open relationship. Coercing me, coercing someone else, or paying someone else (particularly for penetration or oral sex) aren't options that I want to tolerate and I think I don't need to tolerate them, either. It's not like I'm demanding monogamy, or anything.

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05 Jan 2014, 9:55 pm

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If my sex drive disappeared tomorrow, I'd want my partner to either break up with me or be in an open relationship. Coercing me, coercing someone else, or paying someone else (particularly for penetration or oral sex) aren't options that I want to tolerate and I think I don't need to tolerate them, either. It's not like I'm demanding monogamy, or anything.

The advantage of the professional, though, may be that there would be no emotional connection with the other woman, and no competition. He would pay her, and return to you.

If he sees other women without paying, then the situation could get messy, if she starts falling in love with him, and starts getting demanding, or if she has a husband who owns a shotgun. The professional executive ejaculatory administrator would make things simpler and safer.

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05 Jan 2014, 10:06 pm

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If my partner had an affair, I'd want it to be caring and non-abusive on both sides. I don't believe that people are designed to only mate with one person, so I would try to quash any feelings of jealousy. My partner is going to compare me to other women, anyway, whether he has sex with them or not. If he's still with me, then I'm good enough for him and I respect him enough not to question that. I'm not jealous at all of any of his previous partners, nor am I jealous of the women he loves but doesn't have sex with.

I think I sort of believe in free love.

It's not about jealousy with me; I care about someone's views of sex and treatment of people more than I care about an egotistical desire to have them love me exclusively. I'm not saying I'm immune to jealousy, I'm just saying that I could get over it more easily than I can my sexual activity being treated like a service.

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05 Jan 2014, 10:38 pm

the moral crusaders were pushing here recently to outlaw prostitution here in Northern Ireland.

If you want to know the source, it is people forcing their religious dogma down the throats of everyone.

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06 Jan 2014, 12:47 am

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Wow..finally something we can all agree on...

An earlier poll showed that agreement wasn't completely complete.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt212908.html

Thanks for the link..i expected there to be quite a bit of support for legal prostitution among people on the spectrum here..as 'classic' libertarianism..is a fairly common leaning here in the PPR section..and at least some research shows a sociological connection as well...

And yes..i feel the same way about abortion as well..

Without legal abortion..abortion happens everywhere in the world..regardless of whatever moral imperatives..may be 'put into effect'....

IN both cases the overriding issue for me is the prevention of human suffering...

Legal Prostitution and Legal Abortion ..both.. mitigate..the fuller cruel reality of human suffering...

Cost..benefit..says win for both...

And not 'just' my opinion..there..
Research and World Health Organization..health statistics.. provide evidence for it as well...

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06 Jan 2014, 1:20 am

I have absolutely no problem with legal prostitution. I am disgusted that it is illegal. On so many levels. Including and especially morally.

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06 Jan 2014, 9:01 am

puddingmouse wrote:

I draw a clear line at penetration because of the vulnerability involved in that act,

What do you mean by "vulnerable?"

puddingmouse wrote:

but I'd also feel the same way if I was in a lesbian relationship and my partner was paying for oral sex because I see that in a similar way.

You're okay with professional fellatio for men, then?

Are there Lesbians who pay for cunnilingus? I've never heard of it, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

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06 Jan 2014, 2:14 pm

From the ladies at Jezebel:

http://jezebel.com/this-one-time-my-ama ... 1456809112

and

http://jezebel.com/5963606/sorry-second ... 409574629&{"cat":"Kinja%20share","action":"bottom%20link","type":"social_track"}

Quote:

Porn Stars Are Actually Emotionally Stable, Self-Confident Women Who Weren't Molested as Kids

Well, that's a rather odd, if refreshing, shift from the standard Feminist theme: "Women are unhappy and oppressed no matter what."

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06 Jan 2014, 2:16 pm

I have visited prostitutes in Amsterdam, and none of them said that they were oppressed. I asked.

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06 Jan 2014, 2:25 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:

I have visited prostitutes in Amsterdam, and none of them said that they were oppressed. I asked.

That was very polite of you.

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06 Jan 2014, 2:32 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:

jrjones9933 wrote:

I have visited prostitutes in Amsterdam, and none of them said that they were oppressed. I asked.

That was very polite of you.

I try. The extremely intelligent ones, of which there were a few, found it both amusing and charming.

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