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22 Apr 2014, 8:56 am

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You fix cars... How does that disprove what I wrote?


Because yesterday I worked on a car, and a motorcycle. Tilled my garden too. drove around to get parts. I was buisy the whole day. I made 35$. Sometimes that is the way things are. You talk about some conservative thing, what people say, how things are, minimum wage, people that cannot get a job, whatever.

It's a bunch of crap.

I work.

Today I am going to buy some batteries with that 35$ out of need, and drum up some more work.

I pay my bills, because I work. I pay taxes too.



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22 Apr 2014, 11:54 am

some people are incapable of work or even the rudiments of self-care, so I suppose you would just let them die and not give a damn.



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22 Apr 2014, 1:20 pm

You are putting words in my mouth that do not belong there.



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22 Apr 2014, 1:26 pm

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You are putting words in my mouth that do not belong there.

that is the impression left when you say "it's a bunch of crap."



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22 Apr 2014, 2:29 pm

yournamehere wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
You fix cars... How does that disprove what I wrote?


Because yesterday I worked on a car, and a motorcycle. Tilled my garden too. drove around to get parts. I was buisy the whole day. I made 35$. Sometimes that is the way things are. You talk about some conservative thing, what people say, how things are, minimum wage, people that cannot get a job, whatever.

It's a bunch of crap.

I work.

Today I am going to buy some batteries with that 35$ out of need, and drum up some more work.

I pay my bills, because I work. I pay taxes too.


I'm genuinely happy for you that you have a good thing going. But that doesn't negate the fact that conservative windbags hold ordinary working people in contempt. Back when I was growing up, my Dad's union had ensured a good wage and benefits for my family. My parents owned their house outright, my Mom could stay at home and raise me, and we enjoyed a middle class lifestyle. But today, the influence of unions are waning due to the concerted efforts of wealthy and powerful business interests that have no sense of responsibility to the American people, while they reduce wages and benefits, and even outsource jobs to third world countries. And this is justified by the right! They say unions chased them out of the country with unrealistic demands for wages and benefits. But wait a minute - I thought capitalism was supposed to enrich everyone! Well, either big business should talk the walk and get back to making American workers part of a thriving middle class again, or admit what the rest of us have suspected for some time - that capitalism is just a scam, and we've been duped into making the few rich till they use us up, and throw us away.


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22 Apr 2014, 2:34 pm

some people cannot look past their own situation at the big picture.



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22 Apr 2014, 2:43 pm

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some people cannot look past their own situation at the big picture.


Sadly so.


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22 Apr 2014, 6:28 pm

Hey Wal-Mart guy. Just about everyone goes out and buys things that are made in china. I'm sure you do too! I grew up making minimum wage. 3.25$ an hour. washing dishes, bussing tables, pulling weeds, whatever. That still may be happening if I didn't do something about it. You make it sound like middle class just falls out of a tree... like money. Yea, I know how to fix everything. "Hey corporate yaya dude, give us a middle class wage, or we will be angry, and stop driving your forklift full of Chinese goods, or whatever. Tell your congressmen to make it happen, because we know corporate buisness, and we think the big wigs, and conservative muckety mucks are stupid. I need more high paying jobs, and I am soo smart, that I am going to tell you how to do it. It's easy, you just go pick more money off of that big huge deficit money tree, and give it to me. NOW!! ! or I will not drive your battery operated chinese forklift anymore, and go collect wellfare!"

Really, I must be confused, because I really don't know what you are talking about. 20 years ago my life really sucked. It may again too, if I dont work my fingers to the bone, and bleed for money. I never said I have a good thing going either. It sucks!! ! I do it for the MONEY!! ! BECAUSE IT CAN GET ME OUT OF POVERTY!!!AND IT IS MAKING ME CRAZY!! that is life my friend. That is what you do.

If you want to change things, go run for mayor or something. Go be a weathy and powerful buisness interest. Unions do run buisness out of the country. It does not take a marvel of mathematics to figure out what a company has to do to make a profit. My dad worked for a steelworkers union, and it killed the company he worked for.

There has always been a few rich, so again, I don't know what you are talking about.

And as for your whole poor me, because jobs are going to a country that doesn't even have toilets, they live in tar paper shacks, wipe theselves with newspaper, and eat chinese noodles everyday, or whatever. Ya, poor you? You have a right to be an American, and live the high life, because your you.

Yaya capitalism is supposed to make everyone rich? Or enrich?

So blablabla.



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22 Apr 2014, 6:31 pm

???



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22 Apr 2014, 6:59 pm

auntblabby wrote:
???


As I'm not a Walmart employee, I have no idea who he's addressing.
Regardless, I'll answer his charges:
At one time, there had been job security for American workers, thanks to unions. That's gone now.
As far as unions destroying the country - uh, no. Thanks to unions, America had become primarily a nation of middle class people. That only went away due to the demise of unions. And just who is going to look out for the interests of workers without some organization to represent them? And no, middle class jobs don't fall off trees, but in this country, they had traditionally been available to anyone willing to put in a day's work. Alas, those jobs are joining the ranks of the dinosaurs as an extinct species.
As for third world people wiping their asses with newspaper, and living in tar paper shacks - well, if American industry that had outsourced there had any sense of responsibility to their employees, that wouldn't have to be the case.
And I see he hadn't addressed the total lack of responsibility industry and big business has in regard to the American people. Poor people give their lives for their country more than anyone else in military service. What do the captains of industry do, other than betray their employees, and their country in general? In fact, it's the far right of this country that claims they don't owe anyone any sense of responsibility or loyalty, but deserve massive tax cuts in order to create jobs. Jobs that are created in Bangladesh or India. Americans have been loyal to industry, but that sense of loyalty has not been reciprocated.
And by the way, my Dad had been a steel worker member, too.


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22 Apr 2014, 7:55 pm

O.k. that was enjoyable. :P . So, do you have any solutions? Because I just work. Apparently that is not good enough. Maybe I should run for mayor. Can you?



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22 Apr 2014, 8:12 pm

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O.k. that was enjoyable. :P . So, do you have any solutions? Because I just work. Apparently that is not good enough. Maybe I should run for mayor. Can you?


Solutions? Yeah, the government should seize the property of wealthy ex patriots who give up their citizenship to escape taxation, and that includes whatever business they own. The government should bring back said business to this country, and reemploy Americans, even if that company for a time is run at a loss.
There should be legal penalties to encourage industry from leaving American shores, as those businesses are a public necessity for the welfare of American citizens.
Companies should be encouraged, or even taught, that their best interest isn't short term profit, but that long term investment in their own country will benefit everyone. That way, business will have grown a market on American shores who will buy their products. This is hardly a fancy of the far left, as it was the business plan of Henry Ford and the early auto industry.
Stop giving up new technology to China, Japan, or some other country. What electronics is made in America anymore? We invented DVD players, cell phones, computers, etc, but just let foreign industry take over their production.
Cut this idiocy that corporations are people, or that money is speech. The reasons why the people are losing their power in this country is because big business is stealing it right out from under them.
You wanted to know what I'd do. I am hardly an economist, and I never claimed to understand how the business world works. This is just what I think would be good for America.


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22 Apr 2014, 8:17 pm

^^^you said it way better than I could have said it. :wtg:



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22 Apr 2014, 8:18 pm

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^^^you said it way better than I could have said it. :wtg:


I am honored. Thank you. 8)


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22 Apr 2014, 9:17 pm

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yournamehere wrote:
O.k. that was enjoyable. :P . So, do you have any solutions? Because I just work. Apparently that is not good enough. Maybe I should run for mayor. Can you?


Solutions? Yeah, the government should seize the property of wealthy ex patriots who give up their citizenship to escape taxation, and that includes whatever business they own. The government should bring back said business to this country, and reemploy Americans, even if that company for a time is run at a loss.
There should be legal penalties to encourage industry from leaving American shores, as those businesses are a public necessity for the welfare of American citizens.
Companies should be encouraged, or even taught, that their best interest isn't short term profit, but that long term investment in their own country will benefit everyone. That way, business will have grown a market on American shores who will buy their products. This is hardly a fancy of the far left, as it was the business plan of Henry Ford and the early auto industry.
Stop giving up new technology to China, Japan, or some other country. What electronics is made in America anymore? We invented DVD players, cell phones, computers, etc, but just let foreign industry take over their production.
Cut this idiocy that corporations are people, or that money is speech. The reasons why the people are losing their power in this country is because big business is stealing it right out from under them.
You wanted to know what I'd do. I am hardly an economist, and I never claimed to understand how the business world works. This is just what I think would be good for America.


The long and short of it is that you'd like for no one to be allowed to leave the country and renounced their citizenship without reprisals. (iron curtain effect)
No one is allowed to "encourage" industry from leaving American shores. (freedom of speech gone)
Essentially, there is no free enterprise in your world. Why not just skip to right state run factories and GUM department stores since that worked so well for the USSR.
:roll:


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22 Apr 2014, 9:45 pm

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yournamehere wrote:
O.k. that was enjoyable. :P . So, do you have any solutions? Because I just work. Apparently that is not good enough. Maybe I should run for mayor. Can you?


Solutions? Yeah, the government should seize the property of wealthy ex patriots who give up their citizenship to escape taxation, and that includes whatever business they own. The government should bring back said business to this country, and reemploy Americans, even if that company for a time is run at a loss.
There should be legal penalties to encourage industry from leaving American shores, as those businesses are a public necessity for the welfare of American citizens.
Companies should be encouraged, or even taught, that their best interest isn't short term profit, but that long term investment in their own country will benefit everyone. That way, business will have grown a market on American shores who will buy their products. This is hardly a fancy of the far left, as it was the business plan of Henry Ford and the early auto industry.
Stop giving up new technology to China, Japan, or some other country. What electronics is made in America anymore? We invented DVD players, cell phones, computers, etc, but just let foreign industry take over their production.
Cut this idiocy that corporations are people, or that money is speech. The reasons why the people are losing their power in this country is because big business is stealing it right out from under them.
You wanted to know what I'd do. I am hardly an economist, and I never claimed to understand how the business world works. This is just what I think would be good for America.


How you gonna do that?