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24 Feb 2007, 10:13 pm

I also forgot to mention that the planes would have had to miss the planted explosives while crashing into the building at the exact spots they were planted on, furthermore, they would have had to miss them in such an exact manner as to miss the explosives, but make sure the ensuing fire would not set them off.

Also, jumbo jets do not have the technology implanted in them to guide them like a cruise missle, for the simple reason being that people could then simply hijack any plane from the ground with a radio signal.



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24 Feb 2007, 10:52 pm

The cell phone calls from love ones on the planes to their families seem to confirm that hijackers physically took over the planes.



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25 Feb 2007, 12:40 am

are you guys aware at all of the psychology behind kidnapping someone?


the general idea is to create as much confusion and noise as possible. this leaves your victims docile and normally the least resistant. the same psychology applies to the terrorists taking over the jets.


not that anyone especially touched on a point of a few people taking over...but figured i'd cover it anyways...just in case.



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25 Feb 2007, 10:25 pm

Jacob_Landshire wrote:
Note the amount of steel framing (top pic) that went into the World Trade Towers. That steel was bolted and/or welded together during construction.


Wow, that's awesome proof, man!

How could steel fail?! After all isn't Superman the Man of Steel! Superman is way more powerful then any concrete core!

Yeah! After all, remember when the Bush Administration bombed the Tacoma Narrows bridge?

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26 Feb 2007, 7:37 am

jimservo wrote:
Yeah! After all, remember when the Bush Administration bombed the Tacoma Narrows bridge?

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resonant frequencies!! !!



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26 Feb 2007, 10:20 am

jimservo wrote:
Yeah! After all, remember when the Bush Administration bombed the Tacoma Narrows bridge?

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Damn you Bush!! Stop destroying our bridges!! ! :x



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26 Feb 2007, 10:30 am

The cores of the World Trade Towers were made of steel.

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The Core Structures
The Structural System of the Twin Towers

Each tower was supported by a structural core extending from its bedrock foundation to its roof. The cores were rectangular pillars with numerous large columns and girders, measuring 87 feet by 133 feet. The core structures housed the elevators, stairs, and other services. The cores had their own flooring systems, which were structurally independent of the floor diaphragms that spanned the space between the cores and the perimeter walls. The core structures, like the perimeter wall structures, were 100 percent steel-framed.

The rest of this article is at: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html

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How could steel fail?! After all isn't Superman the Man of Steel! Superman is way more powerful then any concrete core!



Anyone who looks at the photographs I posted on the 2nd page of this thread, and believes that those images are the result of floor truss failure is not being objective.


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26 Feb 2007, 1:46 pm

I watched a program on big building before 9-11 in which an engineer did calculations
that there was a design flaw in a building he was studying and a high wind could bring the building down. It was in New England (I guess New York) and hurricane force winds are rare but they are possible. Anyway they went back and welded steel plates
in many locations to make the building stronger.



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26 Feb 2007, 2:07 pm

I believe it was the CitiGroup Center (the famous skyscraper on stilts in Manhattan). I think I saw the same program as you, TheMachine1.

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NOTE: The image has the old name of the building.

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Changes during construction led to a finished product that was structurally unsound. In 1978, prompted by a question from a student, LeMessurier discovered a potentially fatal flaw in the building's construction: the skyscraper's bolted joints were too weak to withstand 70-mile-per-hour (113 km/h) wind gusts at specific angles.

While LeMessurier's original design and load calculations for the special, uniquely-designed 'chevron' load braces used to support the building were based on welded joints, a labor and cost-saving change altered the joints to bolted construction after the building's plans were approved.

The engineers did not recalculate what the construction change would do to the wind forces acting on two surfaces of the building's curtain wall at the same time; if hurricane-speed winds hit the building at a 45-degree angle there was the potential for catastrophic failure due to bolt failure. The wind speeds needed to topple the models of Citigroup Center in a wind-tunnel test were predicted to occur in New York City every 16 years.

LeMessurier reportedly agonised over how to deal with the problem - making it known to the wider world risked ruining his professional reputation. But with hurricane season fast approaching, he took the bold decision to approach Citicorp directly, and advise them of the need to take swift remedial action. He convinced Citicorp to hire a crew of welders to repair the fragile building without informing the public, a task made easier by the press strike at that time.

For the next three months, a construction crew welded two-inch-thick steel plates over each of the skyscraper's 200 bolted joints during the night, after each work day, almost unknown to the general public. Six weeks into the work, a major storm, Hurricane Ella (1978 Atlantic hurricane season), was off Cape Hatteras and heading for New York. With only half the reinforcement finished, New York City was hours away from emergency evacuation. Luckily, Ella turned eastward and veered out to sea, buying enough time for workers to permanently correct the problem.

Despite the fact that nothing actually happened as a result of the engineering gaffe, the crisis was kept hidden from the public for almost 20 years. LeMessurier's act of alerting Citicorp to the problem inherent in his own design is now used as a textbook example of ethical behavior.

After the modifications of the bolted members were completed, the building is now generally considered to be one of the most structurally sound skyscrapers in the world.


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27 Feb 2007, 12:10 am

a plane did hit the pentagon,it wasnt a missile like i and many others thought,what plane or who drove it still unknown,but there is some trouble with where it came from when it impacted the building.

just focus on this, how was the light poles torn off the ground if it came from the way these people say it came...

check the video out,its a new video,it shows witnesses accounts from people really close to the pentagon.

http://www.thepentacon.com/divxsmokinggun.htm

thanks for your time

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27 Feb 2007, 2:03 am

besides from that video
now comes one that is priceless!

wtc7 collapse report way too soon...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwOT29gbc

debunk this please^^

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27 Feb 2007, 3:34 am

ASPER wrote:
besides from that video
now comes one that is priceless!

wtc7 collapse report way too soon...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwOT29gbc

debunk this please^^

peace


interesting. not familiar enough with bbc tv to say if that's real or fake.



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27 Feb 2007, 11:53 am

ASPER wrote:
check the video out,its a new video,it shows witnesses accounts from people really close to the pentagon.

http://www.thepentacon.com/divxsmokinggun.htm


I clicked on the link and it prompted me to download an add-on to my browser to view the video, which I didn't want to do. So I searched Youtube and found part 1 here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlSSCRyN9oo. You can find the other 5 parts in the sidebar play list.

I watched part 1 and some of part 2. The video has a hip-hop like soundtrack which gives the impression that it was inspired by Loose Change. I noticed a couple of things that were very amateur. Like when the interviewer gave the witness what looked like a tape recorder a few moments after the interview was underway. Then shortly after he asks the witness to the draw the direction that he saw Flight 77 heading on photocopied aerial image, all the while fumbling papers in the wind. That part of the interview could have been done indoors. All in all the makers of this video seem to be putting in a sincere effort.

The film Loose Change has some photos/stills of the lamp posts in question laying on the ground without a dent. Now that is strange.

Jim Hoffman has written an exhaustive essay entitled The Pentagon Attack:
What the Physical Evidence Shows
. I have not gotten around to reading it yet, but it looks good.


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27 Feb 2007, 6:29 pm

skafather84 wrote:
ASPER wrote:
besides from that video
now comes one that is priceless!

wtc7 collapse report way too soon...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwOT29gbc

debunk this please^^

peace


interesting. not familiar enough with bbc tv to say if that's real or fake.


yeah thats the one thing that we can only asume,real or not,because there is no "scientific" prove like other theories,this is visual,eye judgement...we will see what its the truth about this video in some days...patience

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28 Feb 2007, 11:50 pm

where is jimservo,themachine1 and flagg!
i need you guys to help me with this video,can someone explain to me why it looks so suspicious.
notice at the end the connection drops! and it doesnt just shut off,its like the movies lol pixel the hell out of the image,move to the side a little ohhhhhh we lost her!

the explanation by bbc its immature like hell! look at reason number one...good one!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2 ... iracy.html
they dont have the real tapes they say....

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01 Mar 2007, 5:36 pm

amazingly that BBC page doesnt even mention the 'cock-up' being talked about - That their reporter is pictured standing in front of an erect WTC7, whilst the scrolling mesage underneath said it had just collapsed!