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08 Jun 2014, 9:00 pm
Or you could be a hero like MLK.
And probably shot also. I don't want that. I think I can to better by advocating against what I see as evil for a much longer amount of time than otherwise.
Well, at the very least, you might get a national holiday dedicated to you.
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08 Jun 2014, 9:08 pm
Or you could be a hero like MLK.
And probably shot also. I don't want that. I think I can to better by advocating against what I see as evil for a much longer amount of time than otherwise.
Well, at the very least, you might get a national holiday dedicated to you.
I'd rather have a holiday named after me for doing something constructive, like making logistic stations out of the moons of Mars so as to facilitate interplanetary transportation by removing the necessity of fuel expenditure for EDL systems versus that of cargo and personnel.
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08 Jun 2014, 9:32 pm
Or you could be a hero like MLK.
And probably shot also. I don't want that. I think I can to better by advocating against what I see as evil for a much longer amount of time than otherwise.
Well, at the very least, you might get a national holiday dedicated to you.
I'd rather have a holiday named after me for doing something constructive, like making logistic stations out of the moons of Mars so as to facilitate interplanetary transportation by removing the necessity of fuel expenditure for EDL systems versus that of cargo and personnel.
But what King had done certainly was constructive. He won the rights for black Americans that had been denied them for far too long, and opened the door for the extension of civil rights to other groups.
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08 Jun 2014, 9:38 pm
Or you could be a hero like MLK.
And probably shot also. I don't want that. I think I can to better by advocating against what I see as evil for a much longer amount of time than otherwise.
Well, at the very least, you might get a national holiday dedicated to you.
I'd rather have a holiday named after me for doing something constructive, like making logistic stations out of the moons of Mars so as to facilitate interplanetary transportation by removing the necessity of fuel expenditure for EDL systems versus that of cargo and personnel.
But what King had done certainly was constructive. He won the rights for black Americans that had been denied them for far too long, and opened the door for the extension of civil rights to other groups.
Yes, and breaking what laws though? What laws would I need to break in order to protect the animals undergoing a practical Holocaust for the sake of human appetite as compared to just arguing in their favor and exercising my first amendment rights while they still exist?
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08 Jun 2014, 10:04 pm
Or you could be a hero like MLK.
And probably shot also. I don't want that. I think I can to better by advocating against what I see as evil for a much longer amount of time than otherwise.
Well, at the very least, you might get a national holiday dedicated to you.
I'd rather have a holiday named after me for doing something constructive, like making logistic stations out of the moons of Mars so as to facilitate interplanetary transportation by removing the necessity of fuel expenditure for EDL systems versus that of cargo and personnel.
But what King had done certainly was constructive. He won the rights for black Americans that had been denied them for far too long, and opened the door for the extension of civil rights to other groups.
Yes, and breaking what laws though? What laws would I need to break in order to protect the animals undergoing a practical Holocaust for the sake of human appetite as compared to just arguing in their favor and exercising my first amendment rights while they still exist?
Don't know, as that's a subject that in all honesty never grabbed my attention.
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10 Jun 2014, 6:03 am
Keet I find it interesting to see how you are going to resolve your dilemma. To my mind you can go one of 3 ways
1. The age old fall back of "it is not for us to understand the ways of the Lord"
2. I still believe in God but now I understand Him to be a complete and utter bastard and acknowledge that Dawkins summed it up very concisely with "?The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.?
3. There is no other purpose to life than to exist, and you are only alive on this planet via the most unimaginable unlikely set of random events. The Universe is simply so massive in space and time that we are not even the merest dot upon it and life finishes with the death of the brain.
One thing a fireind of mine and myself do hope is that you do not go insane trying to resolve this. 
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10 Jun 2014, 4:08 pm
Actually, Luther wasn't arguing against all use of reason, just the concept of grasping God by means of reason rather than faith.
Yup. God is known primarily in the realm of human experience (or faith if you will).
I can't believe people here think Christians come to their beliefs uninformed. Most of the people I know that are highly intelligent and well-read are religious to one degree or another. On the other hand, I see a lot of atheists that, while being intelligent, are not very familiar with the wider world of history, culture, and philosophy, so much of which has been shaped by the religious and spiritual quest. As an aspie that takes an interest in history, it's hard to avoid religion, and an honest appraisal of the history of religion is hard to conclude that it has been an alien influence on humanity: religion is just what most people throughout history do to deal with existential crisis, mortality, to share community and cultivate a moral vocabulary.
Glad to here you're a fellow history buff.
In fact, I have a Bachelors in history from Eastern Washington University.
