Its not a matter of if the system will collapse but when...

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It just might be up to the fed up citizens of the U.S to do that

They would crazy to end the gravy train of stuff flowing in for never-going-repay paper flowing out.

I live in Canada. We have it better here than people do in the US. And I understand that fossil fuels will become obsolete eventually, but they're the main economic driver in my region, and I don't see them going away any time soon. Don't forget, they're used for many things besides fuel.

Of course, it could be argued that if the US goes belly-up, there goes our main buyer of oil... we'll have to find somebody willing to buy it, possibly China. Or maybe we could just use our own oil instead of relying on the blood oil we get from the Middle East.

huh? I do not quite understand your response.

I did fail to mention there are other countries where people have it better than in the U.S....but regardless even if there are worse places than ones current location that hardly means its a good idea to ignore the issues going on or that things could very well be going downhill(if that is the case) in ones current location on account of 'oh well at least I am better off than starving children in africa' or something. Though from what i understand the Canadian government has been starting to almost resemble the republican/conservative party here in few ways from what I have heard in recent news....but can't recall quite what it was that had me thinking that in disappointment maybe something to do with banning medical marijuana in parts of canada and forcing people to dig up their marijuana plants new laws will make illegal or things like that when I thought Canada was getting more progressive when it comes to things like personal freedom.

Of course fossil fuels industry is a big industry in lots of places, likely not just your reason....even in the U.S there are areas where that is one of the main industries...of course people are making money so why would it go away any time soon? That said though most things outside of fuel fossil fuels are used for could be replaced by hemp, even fuel can be made out of hemp which is much more renewable and hell it could be a profitable industry....though not sure if that would include like plane/jet fuel or not depending on how different/simular it is to gasoline you put in cars.

If the U.S collapses in any way, why not just invest in the hemp industry....rather then wasting a bunch of lives of the military sending them off to the middle east to fight for oil, while everyone is supposed to think the military is all about defending our country, more like the government uses our military to back up the corporate interests....I am sure this has gone on throughout history, WW2 was more legit though then again the U.S was fine trading with the Nazis till Japan attacked and we figured since they where allied with the Nazis it was time to go to battle. Then americans like to claim we single handedly saved the whole worlds a** out of the goodness of our hearts and really cared a lot about 'saving the jews and others sent to concentration camps' lol.

I don't want it but I do. It would mean a non suicidal death.

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if our USA government collapsed you wouldn't want to be here, there are too many people who will take up arms and try and proclaim their state or fiefdom independent and it would turn into civil war against the federal government.

And that would make me want to be here less than I already do because?

Just saying I am already aware that sort of thing would be very likely, and its a scary thought but at the same time I still kind of want to live to see the system collapse even if I don't survive long after, and either way in my opinion it will happen within 5 years so if that proves correct its not like I really have a choice whether I am here for it or not, unless I off myself or get killed some other way before that time is up. Ideally it would be cool if things where looking up, and improving and if it seemed like humanity could save itself before we just destroy most of our species....but I've lost all hope in that so all that is left is seeing it all burn.

I picture civil unrest breaking out, the government will more and more liken opposition to terrorists, a "terrorist" attack of some sort will happen, then our government will usurp more power declaring martial law/suspending constitution/whatever and the majority of people will accept it as it ensures security and stability. Those futuristic dystopian worlds aren't too futuristic any more, it's quite real now and I think we're going to see a hi-tech police state develop that actively seeks to snuff out subversives, everything we do and say is going to surveilled. Opposition will be co-opted, the so called fringes will be infiltrated and entrapped. Those with power will protect their power, they've been planning for this scenario for a long time now.

Americans live better than billions of other people on the planet, so why would they get "fed up"? Many are in the
world's 1% of wage earners when taking into account cost of living (CNN says just $33,000 after tax income - adjusted for regional cost of living - puts one in the world's 1%).

Are you suggesting, the wealthy 1% of the world will be angry that they don't have it even better ?

Well then me and lots of Americans are certainly not in the 1% I don't really know anyone making that kind of money...though it is true there probably is a large amount of 1%ers here, being its the cesspool of corporate corruption and corporatocracy, don't think the are they ones who will get 'fed up' per say. Its all the people in the U.S being screwed by the system who are likely to get fed up and in fact are already getting fed up from what I hear.

People on SSI get 8,652 a year max so at least everyone on SSI disability is living on a crap ton less than that, I hear SSDI is better but probably not by too terribly much.....then of course minimum wage jobs I don't think provide 33,000 of income a year. Either way it would be interesting to see how many Americans make that amount compared to rest of the world, also what % of people in the U.S make that or more in an actual study I don't necessarily take CNNs word for anything not exactly the most reliable and biased.

Still not sure what your point is, if the system collapses in any major way....most Americans are not going to 'have it better', even now many who have it better compared to me are noticing that diminishing, perhaps the wealthiest who may already have prepared for that and have all their survival needs taken care of will benefit from less people/thus less things to get in the way of the resources they need in order to waste.