Feminism: Enough is ENOUGH

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This is my favorite part:

While your logic is impeccable, I think it does say something about modern feminism that the story was widely believed at all, at the very least that it has a serious messaging problem.

No, actually I think it reflects how f*****g stupid trolls can be.

Try talking to a feminist in person. Do you know one? Well, I don't (edit: not one that I talk to on outside of internet). Just stating the facts.

I was married to one, I'm somewhat familiar with the ideology.

Perhaps you shouldn't makes assumptions about people you don't know, it's kind of f*cking stupid, like something those "trolls" would do. Not sure if you know what a fact is either, to judge by your usage anyway.

Well, I guess if I wanted to find an article written by someone hateful who calls themselves Christian, Muslim, Democrat, Autistic, etc., who has written an entire diatribe or blog about their beliefs and find something equally misrepresentative. This thread sort of alienates every woman who has ever achieved anything due to feminism, and every man as well. I don't really see the point of posting things like this. If I had posted 'Catholicism: Enough is Enough!' and included a link about a priest violating a child, it would be much the same as what you've done here. Would that be ok?

What do you know about feminism? What has feminism done for women? How is life different for women today at age 21 than it was for 21 year olds the year you were born? What is feminism? Did you know that feminists debate what feminism is all the time, even today?

Not all feminists are extreme male-haters who want to lop off your genitals and put you in chains! It's like OMG, I think forcing a woman to have sex against her will is evil and horrible, that makes me such a feminist! Next thing you know I'll be saying women should also be allowed to vote.

Naomi Wolf and Karen Straughan.

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I just finished reading the article and that is woman one sick and evil individual. She called her unborn son a monster. The only monster I see is the one *her* mother had given birth to.

If it had been a guy who wanted his unborn daughter aborted, people would be in a complete rage. I see no difference. She should have been allowed to have kids at all.

Enough is enough! I hope all the women reading this are heading back to the kitchen to make me a sammich or prettying themselves up a bit so they look nice when they go do the household's weekly shopping. I've had it up to here with all the women in the workforce taking away good man jobs from good men and expecting to be sexually satisfied without any repercussions. Gah.

I'm smiling with delight, imagining the terror and despair that meddlesome
woman will face about 19 years from now when her daughter falls in love
with and starts dating a man that the mom doesn't approve of.
From reading her article it sounds like she wants to control every facet
of her child's thought. She's going to learn a hard lesson in parenting that
NO, you do not in fact, own your offspring's brain.

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Anyhoo, the other commentators are right. This "feminist" is NOT from the same
brand of feminism that fights for driving rights for Saudi Arabian women,
for reproductive rights in the US, for equal pay wherever, etc. We can abhor
her actions and still support the feminist movement when it seeks justice.
Wherever they fight for equal rights for both genders, I'm still on board.
F**k the bad apples! (But don't literally f**k the figurative bad apples
because those people shouldn't reproduce.)

Amen to that.

Dhoh! I was going to write my first comment putting my skepticism first.
It's too late for that now.

Nevertheless, I stand by what I said as it applies to the bad apples who do exist
and my support for feminism when it seeks justice.

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I support abortion but if she really had one at 20 weeks that is f****d up, let alone her reasons. Essentially this is eugenics performed at what is nearly a survivable age. I have not read this thread but I am sure someone has pointed out that every ideological persuasion has its f**k wits. I personally know someone who was kicked out of a communial squat (80s London) not because she had a baby, but because her baby was male. But on the other side of the coin are people like my mother who fought so hard for her rights and those of her fellow women during the 50s and 60s who would be disgusted by these morons.

So, when discussing feminism and feminists, I've noticed several recurring themes that make said discussions difficult, and thought I'd explore them a little, as well as explaining a bit more where I'm coming from.

Firstly, we have the problem that the terms mean different things to different people, what with all the waves and schools and such, and that alone causes quite a bit of confusion and anger, as people like me who are exasperated with the privilege checking jargon spewing hashtag activist school of feminism so prevalent on the internet these days encounter people who think feminism is still only about equality for women and such, and don't umderstand why anyone might have a problem with it. These same people often discount or severely underestimate the size and influence of this form of feminism, again accusing people like myself who question it of being misogynists, of not knowing any "real" feminists, of conflating all feminists with true whack-jobs like Dworkin, etc, when really it's the most commonly encountered form online, and certainly the loudest.

Secondly, we have extreme defensiveness on the part of many feminists, attacking anyone who questions any aspect of feminism as sexist or uninformed, often conflating women with feminists in the process, when they are not at all the same thing. This intolerance to critique of any kind is one of my major issues with internet feminism, and identity politics generally, as fear of opposing arguments is not usually the sign of a solid belief system, and belies the rigid group-think that so often underlies such groups.

Thirdly, and this plays into the last item as well, is the inability and/or refusal of many feminists to realize that it's not some sort of manspiracy that's giving them a bad name, that it's nasty encounters with humorless people ranting about microagressions and Patriarchy and privilege every time someone inadvertently steps on whatever the latest landmine happens to be; it's exhausting, and not exactly persuasive, to say the least. I mean, it's one thing to try and be respectful of others and sensitive to social faux pas, it's quite another to have this byzantine set of rules regarding POC/WOC, LBGTQIA (seriously, they're going to run out of letters sooner or later), cis this and trans that, and being so damn serious about it all the time, I mean I couldn't make this stuff up, and people outside of that community can't believe it when I show them articles on Everydayfeminism, Feministing, or even Salon, all mainstream sites, not the extreme. If you're a straight equals rights kind of feminist and are sick of being lumped in with this craziness, you need to recognize that you're essentially being sabotaged from within, and make a point of distancing yourself from these people. I know, that sounds awfully reminiscent of telling Muslims that they must denounce radical Islam or else be suspected of sympathizing, but in this case it happens to be good advice; there is no more effective salesperson for the "other side" than an obnoxious person in your own ranks, and large portions of online feminism have slid unarguably into the obnoxious column. As a person with a number of unorthodox and unpopular beliefs, I completely understand how annoying it is to be expected to denounce people merely to be taken seriously, but it's an unfortunate reality of how politics works these days, as gun owning me remembers every time Ted Nugent opens his mouth, or mall ninjas take some ill advised selfies at the Chipotle.

Finally, I give you this, an article that actually showed up in my Facebook feed today because one of my feminist friends (yes, I have them, and know them IRL, I only really dislike things I encounter in person) liked and commented on it, that illustrates much of what I'm talking about concerning modern feminist and other identity politics.

Link

Please read it before commenting.

Also, can someone explain to me why it's racist when your Republican uncle refers to colored people, but perfectly fine when lefty intellectual types say people of color? I've never quite gotten the distinction.

Love Dworkin's work and think she was an extremely valuable woman, so I couldn't read past the comment that you think she is 'a wackjob'. Have no real interest in expending myself with men who talk like that about women who've made contributions to women's struggle, whether or not they are deemed valid or useful to you individually.

Have you ever read any of Dworkin's analysis? Yeah, probably not.

Yes far be it for us to oppress the white man by chastising his racism when we should be back in the kitchen makin' a sammich. Us girls, yanno, what a bunch of silly gooses we are! *teehee*