Obama wants us to be forced to vote

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Sounds pretty cool. Unfortunately, we have people in this country who are determined to discourage certain people from voting, and thus would fight the implementation of such a voting policy every inch.

not why i'd fight it.

why can't they just have a master list of every citizen over 18, you show up say name, show id, vote, bam, no registering needed. only reason to register here is so they send you ballot. i actually feel jipped, never got to experience voting in a booth.

There was hardly any line for early voting where I live, you only have to fill out a form then you were directed to THE BOOTH!! ! Where all the fun happens. After filling out the candidates I then put it in a machine that eats the paper. Then afterward I got THE STICKER!! ! Which I collect to mark all the times I voted.

Show ID???! !!
That's VOTER SUPPRESSION in the minds of some since people have to pry themselves off of the couch to go obtain some kind of ID. Even if it's just using a driver's licence as an ID they will whine that not everyone drives and that they will be "marginalised".
Boo hoo hoo......

I'm starting to come under the impression it doesn't matter who or which side we vote for, they'll still do what they want to do.

Tell that to the elderly African American lady who, wanting to get an absentee ballot, was denied - and lost her voting rights all together. And why? Because, after showing her ID, and her birth certificate, she was told she couldn't prove who she was after all, because she couldn't locate her marriage certificate. She only got her rights back thanks to MSNBC.
Just because people have ID's doesn't mean the reactionary forces in charge of municipal, county, and state voting won't pull sh*tty little tricks to keep the "wrong" sort of people from voting. And that is where voter suppression comes into play under the guise of voter identification laws.

That's one case and one case only and I'm only blindly giving it credit as true since I don't know otherwise. You could have provided a link.


We're going back to the Florida and Wisconsin thing, again.
Whatever, but apparently the effectiveness of it all was nil since your boy is still the president.

I had watched the story on Ed Schultz on MSNBC, so no link available. And deny it as much as you like, but voter suppression has happened many more times than with this elderly lady.
And sure, Obama got reelected - but not for lack of trying to stop him on the part of Republicans across the country.
Funny, but while conservatives deny that voter suppression actually happens, they believe baseless accusations that Democrats had bussed in blacks and illegal Latinos to commit voter fraud in order to get Obama reelected. That is, despite the total lack of evidence that such a thing had ever happened.

Surely she has a name and since I know you of all people would have enshrined her in your mind you can find a link to that story.
Fetch it and bring it here.


I don't really give a s**t one way or the other. If there is voter suppression it's so rare and probably un-provable in a court of law as not to be an issue. For all practical purposes, it's grasping at straws by liberal rabble rousers.

I get to the polls and I vote.

Voter suppression failed because the reactionary right doesn't hold sway over every state, county, or city in the country; but rest assured, it does happen.
As far as the lady's name is concerned - maybe I will report it to you, but at the moment, I am much too happy drinking high powered beer, with alcohol contents ranging from 8 to 10 percent.

None of this would survive congressional committees.
All bills must go through committee first before going to the floor for final vote.

This is what killed a lot of bills, especially Obamacare.
Obamacare sections were diluted in many committees in order to get Republicans and Conservative Democrats to drop their objects and allow them out of committee.

People forget that congress writes all bills in committees first, this is what has killed all budgets for the past 4 years in the GOP controlled house.

Anyways the 2014 election day saw a national turn out of 36% of total voters, being the lowest turn out in 70+ years.

Low vote turn out that is below 40% swings the elections in favor of the GOP.
50%+ turn out swings the elections in the favor of the Democrats.
Anything between 40% - 50% causes a split government.

The GOP has been actively redistricting to prevent Democrats and others from gaining a majority in the House, instead of shifting their party platform the center.
The GOP will soon submit a proposed amendment to the U.S. Senate to repeal the 17th amendment ending direct election of senators. This is being proposed to "end corruption" of the U.S. Senate.
In reality the repealing of the 17th amendment would give the state legislatures back the power to elect the senators.
This would most likely ensure a GOP majority if not super majority the U.S. Senate as they controller the majority of U.S. legislatures.

Right now the GOP is facing a very active and vocal party base that refuses to let the GOP modernize, appeal to a broader base of voters and lastly they party base will recall and block anyone who dares to engage in any bipartisan efforts.

This why the current GOP is has gone ultra conservative and down right crazy.


The point is 50%+ voter turn out is the conservative GOP's worst nightmare and will cost them an election.


Though there is a movement to make election day a holiday and/or move it to Sunday to increase voter turn out.
Right now conservatives are against it for "reasons".

This isn't the worst thing a congress and president have tried to do or have done.
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Lets do a quick run down of some of the radical stuff attempted and done in U.S. History.

Last week Senator Graham (GOP) told Obama to use the military to force congress to do it's job.
He said the believes the president should have such powers.

Current House GOP (2010 to present)
Not even a full two weeks ago (or has it been longer), the House GOP tried to cause a partial government shut down by refusing to fund the Dept. of Homeland Security (which also houses immigration) over immigration policy and refused to pass the Senate's bipartisan bill.
Moderate GOP broke rank killing the House funding bill.
Literally 10 minutes before deadline the House approved the Senate bill, sending it to Obama for signing.


In January, when the House GOP voted, they came a few votes shy of removing Speaker Boehner from his post as Speaker.
Why has the House GOP been trying for 4 years to topple Speaker Boehner? They are hating him for negotiating and talking to Obama

The House GOP has refused to pass an actual federal budget, because they don't want a bipartisan budget.
Instead, we've gotten Continuing Resolutions to fund the federal government every year since 2010.
Hell Speaker Boehner won't even allow the proposed budget to come to a vote.

The House GOP has caused 3 government shutdowns since 2010, causing the U.S. credit rating to drop to AA from AAA.
The House GOP has tried to cause 2 other government shutdowns and have even considered an out right default to force Obama out of office.

The House GOP also scuttled the 2010 "grand bargain" that would have permanently balanced the federal budget and eventually paid down the national debt.
The House GOP told speaker Boehner to kill it or face full federal default and shut down with no end in sight.
They also threatened to remove him from his post.
Boehner backed down the in end causing the current issues.

There's a good documentary on how it got to this point.

Obama:

President Obama illegally invaded Iraq in 2004 and Afghanistan in 2001 against the will of the people (Michael Steele said this in 2012 when he was the head of the GOP).

Obama failed to force congress to do it's job since he has been president...
Obama failed to get congress to pass a full healthcare reform bill, leading to the ACA aka Obamacare bill we wound up with (not that I am complaining).
Obama failed to close down Guantonamo bay
Obama illegally launched the war on Libya in 2011 (or was it 2012).
Obama has failed to invade Syria allowing ISIS to run a muck and Assad to remain in power (Though the GOP plans to submit a bill soon to force the U.S. invasion of Syria).
Obama has failed to restructure the USPS (U.S. Senate blocked it).
Obama failed to to get unemployment down to 4%
Etc...

Bush II:
He told the BBC the reason why he invaded Iraq was due to god commanding him to do so.
He had the House GOP submit a bill that would give the president powers to delay the election for security reasons in early 2004 (public outcry killed it)
He famously stated you're with us (GOP) or with the terrorists.

Clinton:
He lied about his affair with Monica Lewinsky and perjured himself while under oath by federal judge prompting the the House to try to impeach him for his violation of federal law (perjury).

Bush I:

He paved the way for Germany to reunify, causing the allied powers to give up their power over Germany reluctantly.
This led to the creation of the EU and Euro.
He gave loads of aid to Russia to help them become capitalist and democratic.
He also raised taxes...

Reagan:
He had congress change how the unemployment rate was calculated, thus causing it to down without improving the economy.
This is the same way it is calculated to this day (# of people employed / # of people getting unemployment benefits or is it vice versa?).

Carter:
He just scolded the public on live TV.

Ford:
He didn't do much of anything really

Nixon:
He did so much corruption, he was given the option to leave or face full impeachment.

LBJ:
He did civil rights, especially including the allowing of interracial marriage (which is blamed for the decline of marriage).
He also was the one who commissioned the Warren Report (JFK assassination), which was horribly mishandled by the commission, thus the truth was never found out.
Oh he also had the CIA forge the Gulf of Tonken Report in order to force congress to authorize the Vietnam War (which was only done to quell the GOP campaign about Democrats being weak on communism)

JFK:

Push the civil rights and progressive agenda.
He also was the one who made NASA go to the moon

Eisenhower:
Well he didn't do anything wrong, though he did allow Sputnik to happen.

Truman:
He forced the military to take over the steel mills when workers went on strike during the Korean War.
SCOTUS struck it down in the end.

He brutally nuked two Japanese cities with Atomic bombs, showing his colors as murderer.
He let Stalin get the bomb!

FDR:
He was poised to expand the Supreme Court with 6 new justices to get the New Deal through.
SCOTUS until then wouldn't allow him to pass any part of the New Deal or social agenda.
He also did a lot of other questionable things too

Wilson:
Was the first sitting president to leave the U.S. and go overseas causing public outrage (he went to France to lead American talks on the Treaty of Versailles)
it was also illegal in the U.S. during WWI to criticize the government in any real form (this happened in WWII too)
He also made sure congress passed the reform amendments, which most notably gave women the right to vote, direct elections of senators, and the income tax.
All were controversial at the time.

TR:
He built the navy up into an international force.
He broke up monopolies
He broke up Standard Oil
He tried to quell the rebellion in the Philippines and make them into a peaceful U.S. territory.
He also let Cuba become an independent country
He did some reform stuff too including the National Parks.

Nothing between Lincoln and TR.

Lincoln:
He won the civil war
His party tried to turn the U.S. into a One Party state by outlawing the Democrats and others (Lincoln refused to go along with it).
They gave us the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments
He also gave us the IRS and the first attempt at an income tax.

Jackson:
He ignored the SCOTUS ruling that prevented him from removing the native americans from their lands.
He told SCOTUS to try and stop him with force in 1838.
He is the only president to actively defy the Supreme Court.

Jefferson:
Refused to go to congress to give his state of the union addresses, instead he sent it by letter (which is perfectly legal).

The first congress made it illegal to criticize the government in 1792, it was the first law the Supreme Court struck down.

Forcing people to actually vote isn't worse thing in the world.

f**k off, we're full.

Also, we have compulsory voting anyway.

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You better hope that Yellowstone never erupts, then, because Australia is one of the countries that have agreed to absorb the displaced population.

Edit: Actually, I can't find a better source for this than the Daily Mail. Best disregard.

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If it ever happens and you're opposed to it:

vote for someone/something not on the ballot (just scribble in a new runner and tick that)

Been doing that since...18. Though I'll always tick the Fishing and Shooting Party if they're on the ballot.

Good plan!