The creation of the idea 'God'

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You can still conduct yourself as a responsible adult. You can still get your point across and be more mature then a 16 year old can... This is were I have a problem with you. Kitsune didn't say anything to you re: the monitor forum and yet you a grown man took oportunity to go after him. You have aspergers, you of all people should know how hard it is for children to deal with it, you were once a teen, you survived it. Yet instead of taking a stand and being an example of how to handle disagreements you choose to be as mature as him? I've had my share of battles with him in the chat room and demanded he p.m me, and we had quite a talk. I found help for him in his area and hopefully he'll take it. Do I tolerate his attacks...of course not. I wouldn't. I work with severally disturbed children who could one up Howard Stren...but to stoop to their nonsense? NO, we adults have years and experience over these kids. As a child advocate, I have a problem with any grown man who acts like you tend to do toward children. I am 44 years old, I choose to act that way. I think you can do better, at least gain more respect. Duncvis had been attacked here, I've seen it, even accused of being anti aspie...can you believe it? And yet he was frim, and to the point, yet not belittling in his response.I should have sent you a private message,ok I'll give you that one. but really, enough is enough. I think you should read over your responses to people, ask yourself if you need to improve, I mean really, it can't hurt.If you want to contact me, you can find me in my profile.We will probably never agree. I just think you can be frim and even stick to your opinions with out lowering yourself.

I think any form of fundamentalillism is SICK!

All it is someone who isn't quite right in the head shoving something absolutely illogical and unrealistic down a weaker person's throat! Usually these weaker people come in the form of children which makes it even SICKER

And what's worse is that these "facts" come with RULES and most of the time these rules are ABSOLUTE GARBAGE...THEY DAMAGE THE NATURAL PROCESS OF LIFE FOR OUR POOR SELVES.....

This is why I get so GOD DAMNED ANGRY when I read about people stuck in some not so relevant events that has NOTHING to do with the present and happened AT LEAST 2000 GOD DAMN YEARS AGO!! !

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Please keep the debate on-topic. If someone feels the need to flame others for their beliefs or how they arrived at those beliefs: don't.

Clearly I have my way, you have yours..... This will not change.... I've pointed out before, I can't do "touchy feely" at all - my total absence of empathy won't allow it. I don't care how old anyone on this forum is - if they come after me I will return the favour. I appreciate your's and Dunc's restraint - these are qualities I do not share, and frankly don't really care enough to want to share. Obviously Kitsune has a hard time: so did I at that age (and every other for that matter) - I've still never gone around trying to force other people belligerently to think what I think..... That is inexcusable, whatever the circumstances.

1. What is God?
...or
2. Who is God?

Which of those two questions seem more 'easy' to answer? Does one the questions sound 'weird'?( Usually I'm having great doubts on how to ask such a question)

I'd definately vote for question 1.

He is the creator of heaven and earth who desires fellowship with us. You can talk to him any time and any place. I talk to him alot, and am so glad I can call him my friend.

What is a "creator"?

I guess that's the answer we all want, One1ai. But can all the years of religion, philosophy and speculation give you a satisfactory explanation?

I edited my post because some of its contents were off-topic
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A creator is probably a person that "creates". But then what is it to "create"?

Is it to build a house(for example)? If you build a house you just move around the matter in various ways.
Maybe this isn't creation.

What is it then to "create"?

My perspective: "God" is the human concept of an intelligent, structuring force responsible, either directly or indirectly, for the creation of... well, everything really, as opposed to the whole thing occurring completely at random with no "intelligence" or design behind it...... "God" is an attempt to provide answers to questions utterly beyond human comprehension and understanding (yet) - the human mind is incredibly inquisitive and incapable, generally speaking, of accepting "I don't know" as an answer to anything - "God" provides us with simple, easily digestible answers to fulfill our instinctive yearnings for knowledge.

I personally find speculation about the nature of "God" futile in the extreme - fact is, there is simply no way to know if "God" exists, or what its intentions and plans are. All we have to go on to provide us with insight into "God" are the wildly differing and utterly inconsistent thoughts and philosophies of countless conflicting religions and philosophers all claiming to have the true word of "God" - I can see no way, objectively, to know which ones are pure charlatans, which are misguided or mislead, which are plain mad, and which (if any) are the real deal with genuine divine insight - I'm sure "God" would make it readily apparent in some way which was which if it was important to Him for us so to know. It is therefore a waste of time I believe to even try to suss out which faith is the "right" one to follow: I personally fail to see how any established faith could possibly be the "right" one for a whole heap of different reasons - you're undoubtedly no worse off being an atheist than you are following an organised faith, "God's good books"-wise, so why bother twisting your life in knots to play limbo with some ludicrously restrictive, and utterly unproven, pre-set system of belief?

I believe that the search for "God" is a purely personal journey that "religion" can only cause terrible harm to. From my own perspective, "God" has given me no reason to suspect that such a search would in any way be worthwhile for me (although I'm sure it is for others), so I don't bother attempting one - basic agnosticism and a belief in cold, hard, demonstrable, solid facts only works fine for me and is my "religion". Everybody has there own path though (although that path can lead inevitably only to corruption and destruction if its labelled "Christianity", "Islam", "Judaism" or whatever). If "God" wants me to ever attempt more, spritualism-wise, then he knows where to find me - He's never bothered to try to let me know where I can find Him, for sure.....

Exactly.

What is an 'intelligent structuring force'?

OK - how about "God is the human concept of a non-purely random force or series of events at work in shaping the universe" then? I think you're getting a bit picky about terminology, but anyway....

God is personified in many religions in order to help people to even begin to understand better. I think this personification has backfired in many religions. It has created a hoard of humanity that worship trinkets and fear.
As far as i'm concerned, god is a vast entity that is beyond the title of being a simple him or her.

Hmmm, not sure about your use of the word random. Tell me, Is free will an illusion?