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13 May 2015, 5:34 pm

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every major religion has the golden rule. it doesn't take a theist to see the benefits of the golden rule. i'm human. that hurts me. i won't do that to another human. incredibly simple moral logic that most five-year-olds understand.
Why or why not? What do any "Golden Rules" have to do with survival or dominance?





it has more to do with species survival than personal survival, though neither is necessary as a tenent for an atheist belief system. you're making a big assumption that is unwarranted.



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14 May 2015, 1:45 am

It is complicated. Given the chance to "Know' Lot's daughters, the crowd saw a cute goat, and followed her.

Somehow they got out, his wife looked back, and was turned to a pillar of salt. Salary comes from salt, as salt was money. Lot's wife went back for the money. She was worth her weight in salt.

Lot flees, but he seems to have brought not only his daughters, but household goods, bedding, food, and lots of wine. This calls for pack animals, besides daughters. Lot was not poor.

Setting up in a cave, without Mom to ruin things, as soon as they unpack, the daughters decide to keep him drunk and take turns. It did not sound like something they had never done before, and Mom's complaint was he did not pay. The rest of the town had paid, why they skipped a freebie, been there, done that, and Mom had the business sense.

The daughters decide to marry their father, have his children, which marrying sisters is Biblical, and taking their Handmaidens to bed.

The story kind of ends. Lot took his wealth to a cave, perhaps to lay low then return. It seems he was not on his way to a new town to offer his daughters to. As his widows his daughters got everything, and I doubt they stayed at the cave. With his wealth, they could buy some really cute handmaidens, and do a group marriage with a really rich man.

Such is the story of the most upright man around, and his daughters, mothers of a Biblical Tribe.

The Lord God looks down upon the town, new born babes, totter's hanging from their mother's skirts, and smites them with fire. He kills everything, including the cute goat.

Mortality being what it was, half of them had not reached puberty. A quarter of those burned to death were under six.

In Egypt he killed everyone's first born child. God had a thing for that young stuff. Killing is a thing, some deserve it, but the pure killing, is of the total innocent and helpless, with fire, slowly.

Now Baal demanded the sacrifice of the first born, and from the Temple at Ras Shamron, comes a book, about Job, who thought he got a bad deal. Baal was just testing him, He gave everything back, but did not remove the suffering, old age, that Job had endured.

Temples of Baal had a bronze oven, with a mouth, babies were slid down the throat which was megaphone shaped, Their families made this offering, and according to how loud and long the child screamed, how pleased the God was with the offering. Many raised the child for a year or two, to make the best offering.

After twenty minutes per pound at two hundred and twenty-five degrees, the priests ate the offering, and put the bones in a jar.

The flood, Noah and the ark, are from Gilgamesh, which had been written down four thousand years before. Baal was almost as old, and The Ten Commandments are from the 125th Chapter of the Egyptian Book of the Dead. About the only thing they have in common is the word, God.

In Gilgamesh it was a people, The Gods. Baal had a brother God who brought storms and rain, and a sister he had sex with, against her will, he kept tricking her, trapping her, and having his way with her. Egypt had lots of Gods, except for one period, short lived, where it was claimed there was only One God. That is just the period when the Old Testament people wander through.

The parting the Red Sea bit would take walking upstream for days, then turning east, climbing a mountain range, and traveling through dry country for days just to reach the Sea. As they wind up in Suez, and there was no canal or anything in the way, and the Pharos tomb and body have been found, it looks like they took the shortest route, and no one was sad to see them leave.

As for Morals and Ethics, I am cool with marrying sisters, and taking their handmaidens as property. Their parents did sell them into slavery, and a deal is a deal.

If my brother should die, his wife should become mine. And her handmaidens. And his goats.

Other parts of Biblical Ethics I doubt.

Some is iffy, Jew, Christians, Islam, all kept slaves. Almost all were their own people. They were willing to sell them to other religions. They all claim a Covenant with God, but do not have one with their own blood.

The slaughter of innocents should be reserved for God. Hiding swords beneath your robes on market day, killing all the adults, taking only the metals and girls who have not laid with a man, there is really no reason to slaughter the rest of the children with the sword.

Using drones to kill innocents in Pakistan, Afghanistan, calling the Missiles "Hell Fire," is taking the name of God, or the Devil, in vain.

Ethically we are close to, "Take off, nuke them from orbit, it is the only way to be sure."

ISIS has horns and cloven hooves, and a tail. The Devil is their leader, If they catch you they will burn you to death in a cage, and film it. The Mystic side of Islam equals Voodoo. Islam does have Black Magic, just like the Jews do. They are African sand people, they may have stolen some local Gods, but they kept their tribal Gods.

They were cutting out hearts and livers and eating them raw on camera years ago.

It is not like they are Nationalist, Communists, that need to be made into a Democracy, they are demons from the deepest pit of hell that Orcs would not put up with. Al Kaida renounced them.

People they capture they kill, this is open genocide.

The west is being called out to fight old style warfare in the desert. Bombing will not work, boots on the ground will be a bloody fight to the finish. ISIS planted this story of the nine year old blue eyed blond Yazidi being raped ten times a day.



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14 May 2015, 7:21 am

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every major religion has the golden rule. it doesn't take a theist to see the benefits of the golden rule. i'm human. that hurts me. i won't do that to another human. incredibly simple moral logic that most five-year-olds understand.
Why or why not? What do any "Golden Rules" have to do with survival or dominance?
it has more to do with species survival than personal survival, though neither is necessary as a tenent for an atheist belief system. you're making a big assumption that is unwarranted.
So how or why does a completely materialistic, mechanical system determine what is advantageous to "species survival"?

Even ISIS militants are more logical than Materialist fantasies.



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14 May 2015, 7:25 am

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It is complicated. Given the chance to "Know' Lot's daughters, the crowd saw a cute goat, and followed her.

Somehow they got out, his wife looked back, and was turned to a pillar of salt. Salary comes from salt, as salt was money. Lot's wife went back for the money. She was worth her weight in salt.
Ignoramus's are a dime-a-dozen on this forum.



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15 May 2015, 1:07 am

Oldavid wrote:
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It is complicated. Given the chance to "Know' Lot's daughters, the crowd saw a cute goat, and followed her.

Somehow they got out, his wife looked back, and was turned to a pillar of salt. Salary comes from salt, as salt was money. Lot's wife went back for the money. She was worth her weight in salt.
Ignoramus's are a dime-a-dozen on this forum.
Dude stop attacking and bashing people on this forum if you don't like the fact people don't agree with you you can leave. I could be a jerk back but ill hold back in the meantime take your ideological crap of fairytales on Stephen Hawking!


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15 May 2015, 10:30 am

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It is complicated. Given the chance to "Know' Lot's daughters, the crowd saw a cute goat, and followed her.

Somehow they got out, his wife looked back, and was turned to a pillar of salt. Salary comes from salt, as salt was money. Lot's wife went back for the money. She was worth her weight in salt.
Ignoramus's are a dime-a-dozen on this forum.
Dude stop attacking and bashing people on this forum if you don't like the fact people don't agree with you you can leave. I could be a jerk back but ill hold back in the meantime take your ideological crap of fairytales on Stephen Hawking!
I am quite familiar with many of Mr Hawking's purely ideological assertions and his attempted justifications of them. Impossible nonsense is impossible nonsense even if it is grandiosely proclaimed by darling prophets of the popular media.
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if you don't like the fact people don't agree with you you can leave.
And leave science undefended against the horde of fantastic speculations? Not my style, cobber. If you don't like having your ridiculous fancies challenged, you can leave too.

I guess it will be the moderator/censor who will ultimately decide who leaves.



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15 May 2015, 10:53 am

cathylynn wrote:
Oldavid wrote:
cathylynn wrote:
every major religion has the golden rule. it doesn't take a theist to see the benefits of the golden rule. i'm human. that hurts me. i won't do that to another human. incredibly simple moral logic that most five-year-olds understand.
Why or why not? What do any "Golden Rules" have to do with survival or dominance?
it has more to do with species survival than personal survival, though neither is necessary as a tenent for an atheist belief system. you're making a big assumption that is unwarranted.
On one hand you seem to be asserting that Everything that is is a product of blind accident and on the other this "evolution" thing is mysteriously intelligent and wilful (metaphysical realities) such that it can plan and execute wonderful things like a "species survival" mechanism consisting of a metaphysical stuff called "morality".

I think the whole Materialist ideology/religion runs on another metaphysical stuff called self-contradiction or, more simply, stupidity.



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15 May 2015, 1:56 pm

Oldavid wrote:
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Oldavid wrote:
cathylynn wrote:
every major religion has the golden rule. it doesn't take a theist to see the benefits of the golden rule. i'm human. that hurts me. i won't do that to another human. incredibly simple moral logic that most five-year-olds understand.
Why or why not? What do any "Golden Rules" have to do with survival or dominance?
it has more to do with species survival than personal survival, though neither is necessary as a tenent for an atheist belief system. you're making a big assumption that is unwarranted.
On one hand you seem to be asserting that Everything that is is a product of blind accident and on the other this "evolution" thing is mysteriously intelligent and wilful (metaphysical realities) such that it can plan and execute wonderful things like a "species survival" mechanism consisting of a metaphysical stuff called "morality".

I think the whole Materialist ideology/religion runs on another metaphysical stuff called self-contradiction or, more simply, stupidity.


Humans are interdependent social creatures with extremely complicated social systems. Morality isn't handed down from a deity. It's a rule system humans use to keep the complicated social systems functioning. And so it changes as societies change. The golden rule is a species survival mechanism in that it allows social cohesion.

Evolution doesn't plan and execute things. It isn't sentient. Morality systems are a consequence of our intelligence combined with our interdependence. And we aren't the only creatures that this evolved in.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/20/science/20moral.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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Some animals are surprisingly sensitive to the plight of others. Chimpanzees, who cannot swim, have drowned in zoo moats trying to save others. Given the chance to get food by pulling a chain that would also deliver an electric shock to a companion, rhesus monkeys will starve themselves for several days.


That right there is the golden rule as practiced by chimpanzees. It is quite possible that other social animals have morality too but it isn't entirely recognizable to humans. Dogs certainly seem to have intense pack loyalty.



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17 May 2015, 5:03 am

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Humans are interdependent social creatures with extremely complicated social systems. Morality isn't handed down from a deity. It's a rule system humans use to keep the complicated social systems functioning. And so it changes as societies change. The golden rule is a species survival mechanism in that it allows social cohesion.

Evolution doesn't plan and execute things. It isn't sentient. Morality systems are a consequence of our intelligence combined with our interdependence. And we aren't the only creatures that this evolved in.
I apologise for letting you fellas wallow in your impossible fantasies for so long but I've had a much more interesting discussion with sentient beings on another forum.

Janissey, your above is a perfect example of speculative assertions masquerading as "scientific knowledge".
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are supposed to be an explanation of why and how morality (a metaphysical thing) exists? Such as
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Morality systems are a consequence of our intelligence combined with our interdependence.
No even attempted explanation of where intelligence (another metaphysical stuff) originated.

Perhaps it also (like morality) spontaneously erupted from a group convenience thing. Feathers would be another prise example, I suppose.

Your ideology (religion) has no basis in the reality we all rely on.



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18 May 2015, 1:00 pm

Meh Davy cannot be taken seriously he is stil lstubborn as usual clinging to Bronze age ideologies and fairytales believing them to be true and modern science not.


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18 May 2015, 10:53 pm

Human trafficking is rampant in many parts of the world. This is not the only example. Even in the US, children are trafficked. It's the ugly side of humanity many do not wish to acknowledge.