Black Police Affirmative Action would serve justice well.
GnosticBishop wrote:
In light of Black over-representation in the criminal element, to have the same over-representation in the police forces would be the logical and intelligent thing to expect of a rational, and justice seeking people and society.
Will you explain the reasoning process you used to get from over-representation in the "criminal element" to over-representation in the police forces? What is the connection between those two things?
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If you are Black and seek to be free and equal in your chosen country, then make it so.
Who are you even talking to? Most people of African descent in the U.S. are the descendants of slaves and have no means to move away from the U.S., so it's kind of inaccurate to say that the U.S. is "chosen." Is there some other country that has this issue?
GnosticBishop wrote:
I do not agree completely with your view of Jesus and his thinking of God as nature although I don't think we have an argument as Jesus was indeed a naturalist.
That is why he could see the perfection of creation and all around us as I do. The kingdom of God is at hand.
To me, Jesus recognized the supremacy of man as God. I think that because of quotes like these as well as the way he tried to get us to reject the written word of his tradition and stick with the Jewish view that a Rabbi could overrule God himself. Think Divine Council.
Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Regards
DL
That is why he could see the perfection of creation and all around us as I do. The kingdom of God is at hand.
To me, Jesus recognized the supremacy of man as God. I think that because of quotes like these as well as the way he tried to get us to reject the written word of his tradition and stick with the Jewish view that a Rabbi could overrule God himself. Think Divine Council.
Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Regards
DL
I see a great deal of truth in the New Testament; but not as much truth as I do in the Gnostic Gospels.
And no, I do not agree, with everything in the Gnostic Gospels; including the one I usually link here
that does promote wars among humans to enforce new ideas; rather than peaceful resolutions. That
is not surprising though, as it is part of the tribal human instinct to gain subsistence; and in those
days, culture did not provide nearly the advantages of subsistence that we see in the U.S.; that
generally speaking, is the promise of 'Israel' for the free of Nature, manifest as such, as GOD in
Human being FREE. One Nation under GOD per Nature, is the promise
of THAT STILL FOR the Pursuit of Life, Liberty and Happiness,
and that works perfect for me, as practice
of perfect in real life now.
At this point, it's kind of like splitting hairs to me.
It does seem that humans, where we live, are one
of the greatest creatures, manifest from the entire
GOD of Nature, of a fractal of Nature manifest, as such;
However, the Universe is a very big place;
and there are likely much greater manifestations that
reflect the entire GOD of nature, as a fractal of THAT;
AS it is certain that some humans better reflect GOD than others; however that is a subjective
judgement at best, as well. I tend to see humans who are in balance with the rest of nature
in all the peaceful harmonious stuff they do; as revolving in peace around the biggest
'SUN' that is GOD, as metaphor of course, as brighter reflections of the GOD of Nature.
One will not understand GOD through any science alone, as the metaphor
of ART is always counterpart of true knowledge of wisdom in innate
instinct and intuition, in addition to reasoned ways of
thinking. Senses and Feeling are here in human
ways of life, long before the
written stuff is even imagined
and created, as it exists, and
hopefully continues to evolve
as a communication tool
of natural wisdom for
those who move
outside
the
CURRENT
BOX, as is
FOR NOW..
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starkid wrote:
GnosticBishop wrote:
In light of Black over-representation in the criminal element, to have the same over-representation in the police forces would be the logical and intelligent thing to expect of a rational, and justice seeking people and society.
Will you explain the reasoning process you used to get from over-representation in the "criminal element" to over-representation in the police forces? What is the connection between those two things?
Quote:
If you are Black and seek to be free and equal in your chosen country, then make it so.
Who are you even talking to? Most people of African descent in the U.S. are the descendants of slaves and have no means to move away from the U.S., so it's kind of inaccurate to say that the U.S. is "chosen." Is there some other country that has this issue?
The connection should be obvious to you.
If racism cannot be taken out of the legal system, whites nor blacks will respect it as it will be seen as racist.
Blacks, always seeing whites doing the arresting and killing of blacks, might have blacks begin to think that they are second class citizens. That may be too close to a truth.
There is racism to some extent in every country that has a blend of peoples. If not, that country usually hates all other races.
It is true that the descendants of many black Americans did not choose to be Americans. That does no stop black American from choosing to return to their native lands, if we can call them that, should they choose to get away from the American's who discriminate against them without a just cause.
Regards
DL
aghogday wrote:
GnosticBishop wrote:
I do not agree completely with your view of Jesus and his thinking of God as nature although I don't think we have an argument as Jesus was indeed a naturalist.
That is why he could see the perfection of creation and all around us as I do. The kingdom of God is at hand.
To me, Jesus recognized the supremacy of man as God. I think that because of quotes like these as well as the way he tried to get us to reject the written word of his tradition and stick with the Jewish view that a Rabbi could overrule God himself. Think Divine Council.
Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Regards
DL
That is why he could see the perfection of creation and all around us as I do. The kingdom of God is at hand.
To me, Jesus recognized the supremacy of man as God. I think that because of quotes like these as well as the way he tried to get us to reject the written word of his tradition and stick with the Jewish view that a Rabbi could overrule God himself. Think Divine Council.
Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Regards
DL
I see a great deal of truth in the New Testament; but not as much truth as I do in the Gnostic Gospels.
..
Thanks for this.
Regards
DL
PPR is funny at times.
GnosticBishop wrote:
starkid wrote:
Will you explain the reasoning process you used to get from over-representation in the "criminal element" to over-representation in the police forces? What is the connection between those two things?
The connection should be obvious to you.
No, I cannot read minds.
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If racism cannot be taken out of the legal system, whites nor blacks will respect it as it will be seen as racist.
Let me try to put it all together:
1. Over-representation in the criminal justice system implies racism. (or maybe it just implies that one group of people is committing more crimes than others or getting caught more than others?)
2.Racism in the legal system will cause people to not respect the legal system.
3. It's undesirable that people not respect the legal system.
4. Over-representation in the police force will eliminate this racism. (how?)
5. Therefore, we should support over-representation in the police force.
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There is racism to some extent in every country that has a blend of peoples. If not, that country usually hates all other races.
Ok. No idea what you are talking about.
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It is true that the descendants of many black Americans did not choose to be Americans. That does no stop black American from choosing to return to their native lands
No, but lack of funds would stop them, not to mention cultural and language barriers, and the starvation, poverty, and disease epidemics in Africa. Not that any of that is relevant to the main topic.
starkid wrote:
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If racism cannot be taken out of the legal system, whites nor blacks will respect it as it will be seen as racist.
Let me try to put it all together:
1. Over-representation in the criminal justice system implies racism. (or maybe it just implies that one group of people is committing more crimes than others or getting caught more than others?)
Racism is a part of it but just being in a poorer demographic always has people pushing legal boundaries to get out of that situation. It is attention seeking to some extent and an attempt to get ahead. The harder we try to push them down the harder they will push back.
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2.Racism in the legal system will cause people to not respect the legal system.
Yes.
Do you respect racist organizations?
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3. It's undesirable that people not respect the legal system.
Correct. If the police feel disrespected or uncomfortable in any given situation, that is when things go sideways.
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4. Over-representation in the police force will eliminate this racism. (how?)
Not quite what I said.
Equitable representation is what I advocate.
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5. Therefore, we should support over-representation in the police force.
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See above.
If you use the quote function you will not get so many of your statements wrong.
Regards
DL
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