UK 2015 Election Cameron wins, what do you think?

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10 May 2015, 3:37 am

I still think it's really strange that in Britain 36% of votes means "majority".

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10 May 2015, 4:07 am

Well, at least we don't have the US system...

The last government managed to get a popular majority, though of course there wasn't a vote for that particular coalition. The previous Labour governments had managed large majorities in Parliament on 35-40% of the popular vote. Oddly, I don't think many people complained about Labour getting in on a minority vote, perhaps because the Conservatives support First Past The Post and would thus be hypocritical if they complained.

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10 May 2015, 4:35 am

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Even if the voters don't like the coalition, they are still represented in the house. The UKIP people are extremely underrepresented, there are more of them than SNP voters and they get 1 seat, SNP gets 56. This is absolutely undefensible. I'm surprised this isn't discussed more in Britain. Why should UKIP voters accept that their vote just gets thrown away?

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10 May 2015, 7:02 am

I sometimes wonder how many well meaning politicians have the clout to sort things out.

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10 May 2015, 8:37 am

Grebels wrote:

I sometimes wonder how many well meaning politicians have the clout to sort things out.

If we had more MPs like this one, the country would be a much better place:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Skinner

He's been MP for Bolsover since 1970 and he's still going at the age of 83:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMhmfXS3TpQ

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10 May 2015, 10:48 am

trollcatman wrote:

Magneto wrote:

It was discussed a lot. We had a referendum to change it so that everyone's vote counted (although it wouldn't have been a proportional system). It was defeated by a long way.

As for the SNP v UKIP, the SNP is the Scottish Nationalist Party. They only stand in Scotland. It was impossible for them to pick up as many votes as UKIP or the Lib Dems - if they'd have stood everywhere and got the same results (!) then they'd have got more votes than the Conservatives.

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10 May 2015, 11:20 am

EnglishInvader wrote:

Grebels wrote:

I sometimes wonder how many well meaning politicians have the clout to sort things out.

Skinner's performances in the House of Commons these days are regarded by just about everyone as highly entertaining, anachronistic music-hall type entertainment. Even so, it's regrettable that none of the Labour MPs elected since at least 1987 have supported an updated, recognizably socialist version of the principles he embodies.

The 'inquest' into Labour's defeat is already, at this extremely early stage, concluding that they won't have a chance at the next election unless they become, in effect, another version of the Tory party. It's just 1994 all over again, it seems.

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10 May 2015, 2:19 pm

The_Walrus wrote:

trollcatman wrote:

Magneto wrote:

What if they held another referendum on it this week? 63% voted against the sitting PM, and still he gets to stay for another term and can claim 36.8% as a "victory".
SNP got more seats than they deserved because they are clustered, which is why parties such as UKIP or the Greens will never succeed in this system and their voters are essentially disenfranchised. 1 seats instead of 82 for UKIP, 81 seats are stolen from them because of the district system, you can't make this up. Can't imagine how pissed these people must be. Might as well stop paying taxes, get a gun and run for the hills.

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10 May 2015, 2:38 pm

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There is also the question of geographical area - Scotland is 60% the size of England so the costs of distributing services per head of population are going to be higher.In some ways,Scotland also contributes a higher proportion to the economy .e.g. whisky accounts for more than 25% of the UK's food and drink exports.

This isn't really how logistics works, by area. The population should be an advantage in fact. The logistics of the islands and the western coast are harder. However the mainland isn't that different. I don't really follow your augment there. The cities not different either.
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I should have expanded on the logistics - as the overall area is more rural,the transport links are less developed,e.g.no motorway standard roads to Aberdeen or Inverness and no train link to most of the Borders (although a new line is being built) whereas in England most major urban centres aren't far from a motorway or railway.

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10 May 2015, 2:54 pm

pluto wrote:

I should have expanded on the logistics - as the overall area is more rural,the transport links are less developed,e.g.no motorway standard roads to Aberdeen or Inverness and no train link to most of the Borders (although a new line is being built) whereas in England most major urban centres aren't far from a motorway or railway.

Didn't there used to be train lines there, a long time ago, but they go axed?

These are solvable problems. People still oppose these infrastructure projects, due to nimbyism.

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10 May 2015, 2:57 pm

EnglishInvader wrote:

Grebels wrote:

I sometimes wonder how many well meaning politicians have the clout to sort things out.

One of the reasons why Labour lost this time, was trying to go back to 1970s politics.

SDP split of the Labour party becuase the more extreme members.

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10 May 2015, 3:03 pm

We need more MPs like Vince Cable and Simon Hughes, not Dennis Skinner.

Oh.

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10 May 2015, 3:33 pm

What we need at the moment are Conservative MPs with the backbone to rebel...

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10 May 2015, 4:09 pm

0_equals_true wrote:

pluto wrote:

Didn't there used to be train lines there, a long time ago, but they go axed?

These are solvable problems. People still oppose these infrastructure projects, due to nimbyism.

Yes,the line was axed in 1969 but is due to reopen in September this year.In this case I think the problem has been
cost rather than nimbyism (people in the Borders have had free presciptions and no tuition fees,but no railway

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10 May 2015, 4:52 pm

$15,OOO,OOO,OOO,OOO FRAUD EXPOSED in UK House of Lords according to Lord James of Blackheath.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAK5xzEYq7I

for your consideration...

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10 May 2015, 5:42 pm

also....'Money Creation & Society' Debate in UK Parliament by Steve Baker, Conservative Wycombe

"On Thursday 20th November 2014, for the first time in 170 years, UK parliament has debated the creation of money. Few people know that 97% of our money supply is created not by the government (or the central bank), but by commercial banks..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBSlSUIT-KM

Note the overwhelming number of people in the Parliament when this took place.

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