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17 Jul 2015, 12:36 pm

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Well you are wrong to assume I am a conservative, I do not live by labels like that. Culture is evolving and always changing, we don't own it and we can't control what others do with it. You can't be separate but equal, it doesn't work that way as history showed us which is how see this cultural appropriation crap being the modern equivalent to. Equality means if you are allowed to partake in my culture then I can do the same to yours, this is a free country still at least for the time being. It seems like a lot of people who preach equality are really attached to concept of race and cultural division much in the same racists are.

there's a difference between participating in culture and cynically using it to drive commerce.

An art museum is not culture? What is wrong about using culture to drive commerce anyway? Do you eat ethnic food? Kimonos have travelled all over the world, the Japanese cannot claim sole ownership and control of it any more. I has been incoprorated into modern fashion, is that appropriation? It was a Frenchman who made the painting btw.

an art museum is culture, people standing around wearing kimonos to drive attendance is not.

Why does it bother you? You do realize that Claude Monet wasn't painting a Japanese woman right? Do you think the painting should be removed and destroyed because it pictures a WHITE woman in a Japanese kimono? If an art museum can't attract visitors it isn't going to be open very long.

I've stated the reasons why(you're quoting them)

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17 Jul 2015, 12:42 pm

Fugu wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

Fugu wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

Fugu wrote:

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there's a difference between participating in culture and cynically using it to drive commerce.

an art museum is culture, people standing around wearing kimonos to drive attendance is not.

I've stated the reasons why(you're quoting them)

I'm sorry, they don't make any sense to me and I don't feel it answers the questions I am asking.

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17 Jul 2015, 12:45 pm

It's unfortunate when language becomes a barrier to communication.

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17 Jul 2015, 1:03 pm

Jacoby wrote:

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I've stated the reasons why(you're quoting them)

I'm sorry, they don't make any sense to me and I don't feel it answers the questions I am asking.

the art museums i've been to(admittedly only a few) weren't attempting to have people imitate the artwork, that's hardly the purpose of art museums.

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17 Jul 2015, 2:06 pm

The title of the thread has to do with racism. So your feeling is that commercializing the exhibit, trying on a kimono, instead of just looking at a painting, is the wrong approach and is racism?

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17 Jul 2015, 2:16 pm

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The title of the thread has to do with racism. So your feeling is that commercializing the exhibit, trying on a kimono, instead of just looking at a painting, is the wrong approach

yes

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and is racism?

no idea, nor do I care. My objection was only ever that it turns art into the artistic equivalent of this:

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17 Jul 2015, 2:32 pm

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there's a difference between participating in culture and cynically using it to drive commerce.

Commercial enterprise is a time-honoured tradition of Western Capitalist culture. Privileging Japanese culture over it, as you are doing here, is arguably racist. That is, if you want to play the game of Ethnic Segregation Top Trumps: I'm More Offended Than You Edition.

Or we can simply go back to my earlier suggestion of not kowtowing to this lunacy.

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17 Jul 2015, 3:04 pm

Fugu,

I find this thread quite difficult. You can liken me to a stupid comic photo cut-out if you wish, due to the photo I put on this thread earlier. You could be right. However, to say that it is racist, and BTW it is Chinese, is ridiculous, since my wife obviously approved and in fact it was her idea.

If you study the Japanese a little bit more then you might question who is racist.

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17 Jul 2015, 3:19 pm

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not sure what to make of this, I never commented on the racism

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17 Jul 2015, 4:49 pm

My apologies for the racist mention. If you click on the Photobucket link in my earlier post in this thread you will see what I was talking about. I showed the photo to my Chinese wife and she took a seconds glance and just said 'no good' in Chinese and walked away. That means the garment must have been quite authentic to the Japanese style.

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18 Jul 2015, 7:25 pm

If these were white kimonos with face-warmers and a pointed hood I'd completely understand.

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18 Jul 2015, 8:10 pm

I admit that's a bizarre exhibit. Who would want to try on a kimono that x amount of people tried on before? It might be geared more toward tweens and teenagers. Just a very strange idea for an exhibit. What the point of focusing on Camille Monet was I have no idea... She didn't get enough attention in life being the mere wife of a famous painter?

As far as it being racist...it might be taken that way.

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18 Jul 2015, 9:52 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

I'm in agreement with this.

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19 Jul 2015, 1:46 am

Oh joy, more people getting offended over nothing. :^)

I find people who make up stupid reasons to be offended offensive.

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19 Jul 2015, 4:21 pm

From The Japan Times:

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Sadly, those trying to modernize the kimono by ushering it into the fashion world — rather than preserving it strictly as a national dress — will likely be set back by the controversy surrounding the exhibition in Boston. One of those is Hiromi Asai, a kimono designer who is running a Kickstarter campaign to raise $50,000 by July 31 to hold a show at New York Fashion Week next February to show that the kimono can be a modern form of dress that “is beyond cultural and ethnic boundaries.”

Okazaki is also concerned that the industry will suffer if Americans are scared to wear kimono lest they are accused of being racist.

“Absolutely no one (interviewed for the book) found Westerners wearing kimonos to be remotely offensive,” Okazaki tells The Japan Times. “(They) all gave me interviews because they wanted people overseas to share this culture.”

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/culture/201 ... atTz7XU1kr

My observations:

1.) None of those protesting the exhibit, as reported in the OP, had a Japanese name. Other reports of the event revealed additional protestors, but still none had a Japanese name.

2.) On the Japanese internet, there was some criticism of white people degrading foreign cultures, but most seemed put off by the exhibit being shut down. There were a few who took a conspiratorial tone, alleging that shutting down this exhibit was a plot by people of Chinese and Korean extraction to "be a nuisance" to Japan.

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19 Jul 2015, 8:06 pm

What's next?

Are we going to have to stop performing "the Mikado" by Gilbert and Sullivan now too?

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