Republicans Woefully Out of Touch With Reality...
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Preserve? that's a funny word for wanting to transform it into a fictional version of the 1950's.
Especially considering how the modern Republican party has opposed civil rights for racial, religious, and sexual minorities, all to court the vote of closed minded bigots. Last time I checked, civil rights was all about freedom.
As for Republicans wanting a prosperous nation - this is the same party that has backed cutting wages and benefits, and offshoring American jobs, all so the 1% who controls corporate America can have even more money than they could ever spend. In the meantime, ordinary Americans languish with low wages, thereby limiting the buying power with which they could power the economy, all the while being propagandized with the load of sh*t that the most vulnerable in society are to blame for the economic slump.
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It's worse than that, even.
Yeah, what's worse is Trump isn't even in the top 10 worst candidates this cycle
I think we all can thank god that Lindsay Graham is never going to catch on
Graham will never catch on because of the right's homophobia. I mean, seriously, this guy is barely in the closet!
Naw, he's just a southern dandy!
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i wonder how much longer can our political system continue as-is, where the democrats pay lip service to protecting their constituents from the depredations of the upper class, while the republicans do much more than lip service in protecting the privilege of the upper class while socking it with malice aforethought to the lower classes.
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I'm coming to this thread three pages and a day late so it might seem like an anachronism that I'm referring to the OP:
The kinds of Republicans who believe that anyone who can't take care of themselves is by definition lazy is a small and caricatured lot. It's a lot that doesn't mesh with the real issues of why most people would still vote Republican.
Most people, at least in urban areas, who'd identify as Republican have the nagging realization that we literally cannot bankroll what we're doing. They're people who'd really like to see economic justice work out but also understand that having an economy that adapts to present needs is like tending a fire; you can wet it right out or you can burn your house down. It's a disheartening feeling that a lot of the disaster right now, if we try to make everyone snug and comfortable, will mean no country left when its all said and done - we'll have financially collapsed. I think this is also where Republicans strongly prefer charity to government wherever it can be supplemented; it's people who can give and want to give giving.
I wouldn't at all argue here that orphans shouldn't be taken care of, that disabled or unemployable vets aren't financially assisted for their service to our country, that the physically and mentally disabled aren't assisted - it's boiler-plate human decency that we have a safety net for those who can't fend for themselves. I don't know of many Republicans who would disagree with that, maybe some anarchocapitalists and some kinds of extreme libertarians but people of that kind of particularly Randian bend would consider Republicans, especially neoconservatives/neoliberals, way too squishy.
I think we're in a place where we need to do a couple things - bring jobs back as much as possible and also find ways to house people in such a manner that most people who can work, doing the work available for them to do, can live responsibly within their means without any government assistance. Until we do that our system is badly out of equilibrium and there's hardly another step in one direction or another we can take that doesn't have significant secondary effects that ripple out. Some things, like taking care of those who can't physically or financially take care of themselves, has to be done regardless of the consequences; much over or above that though it's incumbent on other people to try and help carry the sling rather than without qualification to do so jumping in it.
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The kinds of Republicans who believe that anyone who can't take care of themselves is by definition lazy is a small and caricatured lot. It's a lot that doesn't mesh with the real issues of why most people would still vote Republican.
Most people, at least in urban areas, who'd identify as Republican have the nagging realization that we literally cannot bankroll what we're doing. They're people who'd really like to see economic justice work out but also understand that having an economy that adapts to present needs is like tending a fire; you can wet it right out or you can burn your house down. It's a disheartening feeling that a lot of the disaster right now, if we try to make everyone snug and comfortable, will mean no country left when its all said and done - we'll have financially collapsed. I think this is also where Republicans strongly prefer charity to government wherever it can be supplemented; it's people who can give and want to give giving.
What you're saying is sort of emblematic of how liberals think you guys are driven by fear and greed more than anything else.
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The way I see it (how-ever you wish to define what « IT » means) is that...: Get rid of wars & debt-slavery = mega-wealth & prosperity for everyone
Over 3 million dollars a DAY is wasted on just military drills of shooting ammunition.
Now for some Victoria Grant...
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The kinds of Republicans who believe that anyone who can't take care of themselves is by definition lazy is a small and caricatured lot. It's a lot that doesn't mesh with the real issues of why most people would still vote Republican.
Most people, at least in urban areas, who'd identify as Republican have the nagging realization that we literally cannot bankroll what we're doing. They're people who'd really like to see economic justice work out but also understand that having an economy that adapts to present needs is like tending a fire; you can wet it right out or you can burn your house down. It's a disheartening feeling that a lot of the disaster right now, if we try to make everyone snug and comfortable, will mean no country left when its all said and done - we'll have financially collapsed. I think this is also where Republicans strongly prefer charity to government wherever it can be supplemented; it's people who can give and want to give giving.
I wouldn't at all argue here that orphans shouldn't be taken care of, that disabled or unemployable vets aren't financially assisted for their service to our country, that the physically and mentally disabled aren't assisted - it's boiler-plate human decency that we have a safety net for those who can't fend for themselves. I don't know of many Republicans who would disagree with that, maybe some anarchocapitalists and some kinds of extreme libertarians but people of that kind of particularly Randian bend would consider Republicans, especially neoconservatives/neoliberals, way too squishy.
I think we're in a place where we need to do a couple things - bring jobs back as much as possible and also find ways to house people in such a manner that most people who can work, doing the work available for them to do, can live responsibly within their means without any government assistance. Until we do that our system is badly out of equilibrium and there's hardly another step in one direction or another we can take that doesn't have significant secondary effects that ripple out. Some things, like taking care of those who can't physically or financially take care of themselves, has to be done regardless of the consequences; much over or above that though it's incumbent on other people to try and help carry the sling rather than without qualification to do so jumping in it.
Republicans are no better than the Democrats. I think what the vast majority of people need to do is be realistic about how much money they will make in their lifetime and find other things besides money to bring them happiness.
the GOP represents the very rich and panders to the lowest emotions of the middle class to make them think they're being represented.
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the problem is that we're at the point where it is not merely money at stake, but survival. what is happening to one of our own ["ASS-P"] is soon gonna happen to the bulk of the rest of us, sooner or later, unless enough voters wake up.
the problem is that we're at the point where it is not merely money at stake, but survival. what is happening to one of our own ["ASS-P"] is soon gonna happen to the bulk of the rest of us, sooner or later, unless enough voters wake up.
There's too much panic at the moment. It's very unlikely a Grecian Crash will happen here.
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the problem is that we're at the point where it is not merely money at stake, but survival. what is happening to one of our own ["ASS-P"] is soon gonna happen to the bulk of the rest of us, sooner or later, unless enough voters wake up.
There's too much panic at the moment. It's very unlikely a Grecian Crash will happen here.
if the right wingers get their way, there will be many more of us that drop out of the safety net.
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Preserve? that's a funny word for wanting to transform it into a fictional version of the 1950's.
Fictional indeed. They want the intolerant US society of the 1950s without the economic policies that allowed the decade legendary prosperity. (Taxing 90% of the income of the most wealthy for example.)
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Preserve? that's a funny word for wanting to transform it into a fictional version of the 1950's.
Fictional indeed. They want the intolerant US society of the 1950s without the economic policies that allowed the decade legendary prosperity. (Taxing 90% of the income of the most wealthy for example.)
according to shrub's brain karl rove, what they really want is a return to the gilded age of the late 1800s, that was his favorite historical era.
The middle class has to vote Republican as a defensive move, because the Democrats want to take our money.
In my state, the Republicans are smartly lowering the state income tax slightly, and raising the gas tax. Democrats cry that this will hurt the poor disproportionately.
Thanks Republicans, for letting me keep more of my money!
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Preserve? that's a funny word for wanting to transform it into a fictional version of the 1950's.
Fictional indeed. They want the intolerant US society of the 1950s without the economic policies that allowed the decade legendary prosperity. (Taxing 90% of the income of the most wealthy for example.)
Oh, no, how could the holy and noble rich get taxed 90% back in the Republican dream decade, when everyone knows that taxation is theft?!?!?!
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