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02 Sep 2015, 10:49 pm

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As for starting a war - - if citizens of a country can be held accountable for that, then a great many Americans would be guilty of supporting Bush's ill-thought out military adventures.

Some wars are just. Both Bush and Obama should be proud of winning the righteous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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People can be misled by their governments into supporting terrible ideas, which is what had happened with the Germans under Hitler. As for the other Nazi atrocities - well, it was no accident that most of these crimes against humanity were committed elsewhere, such as occupied Poland, away from the eyes of the German people.

Probably not entirely untrue.


Some wars are just, most probably are not.
As for what the German people knew and didn't know - sure, there were some who knew everything - and might have even approved, then there were those who knew bits and pieces, while others were honestly ignorant of what was going on. It all depended on who you're talking about.


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03 Sep 2015, 6:05 am

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I think it would be fair to say that you can't be held accountable for the actions of your government unless you support your government in doing something they shouldn't be doing, like instigating world war, executing homosexuals, killing jews, stoning women to death, and the list goes on and on, but none of Israel's actions are on that list as far as I can tell.


"Killing jews"? The implication here is that killing other races and ethnic groups is just fine, whereas jewish lives (even those of, say, traitors like the Rosenbergs presumably) are worth so much more. It's also interesting that you care nothing for the lives of Iraqis killed in America's pointless war or for Palestinians killed by Israel, but you pretend to care so much about executed homosexuals. Anything that helps turn the reader against Israel's enemies, right?

Humanaut wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
As for starting a war - - if citizens of a country can be held accountable for that, then a great many Americans would be guilty of supporting Bush's ill-thought out military adventures.

Some wars are just. Both Bush and Obama should be proud of winning the righteous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.


Pathetic. What's your story, humanaut? Are you jewish yourself or is it just that repeating jewish supremacist likudnik propaganda makes you feel like a tough guy?



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05 Sep 2015, 2:03 pm

Ironically, I probably have more Hebrew in my blood and in my bloodline than any of the Jewish WP members here. lol



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05 Sep 2015, 4:15 pm

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Ironically, I probably have more Hebrew in my blood and in my bloodline than any of the Jewish WP members here. lol


That is doubtlessly true. The fact of the matter is, despite all the OT's talk about the Hebrews being of a separate race, they were just another alliance of Canaanite tribes, no different than the others, with the exception of the Philistines who were originally from Bronze Age Europe.


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07 Sep 2015, 10:20 pm

Im proud of being human. go Humans!



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07 Sep 2015, 11:06 pm

Another Jewish Aspie here, although I am of the "radical" variety and am not currently religiously affiliated. While I do appreciate the order and engagement of the orthodox, and my local orthodox synagogue was by far my favorite, I just don't fit into the orthodox world.



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08 Sep 2015, 3:00 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Ironically, I probably have more Hebrew in my blood and in my bloodline than any of the Jewish WP members here. lol


That is doubtlessly true. The fact of the matter is, despite all the OT's talk about the Hebrews being of a separate race, they were just another alliance of Canaanite tribes, no different than the others, with the exception of the Philistines who were originally from Bronze Age Europe.



Philistines' origin isn't known, some say they were of the Sea Peoples from Crete, and those latter are mysterious even more.

However, their religion was almost Canaanite but unlike other Canaanite gods worshipers, they are refereed as aliens in biblical texts and do not portray them as having any blood kinship with them, unlike the Canaanite tribes.



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08 Sep 2015, 1:48 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Ironically, I probably have more Hebrew in my blood and in my bloodline than any of the Jewish WP members here. lol


That is doubtlessly true. The fact of the matter is, despite all the OT's talk about the Hebrews being of a separate race, they were just another alliance of Canaanite tribes, no different than the others, with the exception of the Philistines who were originally from Bronze Age Europe.



Philistines' origin isn't known, some say they were of the Sea Peoples from Crete, and those latter are mysterious even more.

However, their religion was almost Canaanite but unlike other Canaanite gods worshipers, they are refereed as aliens in biblical texts and do not portray them as having any blood kinship with them, unlike the Canaanite tribes.


Their art and crafts are virtually identical to that of the Aegean region, implying that they were from the Mycenaean civilization ancestral to the Classical Greeks. At that period of time, Proto-Greek invasions and raids had rocked the whole Mediterranean world. They were remembered as the Sea People by the Egyptians, Philistines by the OT, and had recalled their own war with the city state of Troy in the Iliad. It's fascinating that they had adopted aspects of Canaanite religion, though I suspect their version of Dagon was essentially Poseidon.


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30 Mar 2016, 11:56 pm

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31 Mar 2016, 2:15 am

This thread was started several months before GO TRUMP became a thing, just saying :)


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I'm Jewish and proud of it. Any other Jewish aspies here?


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31 Mar 2016, 4:38 pm

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Both Bush and Obama should be proud of winning the righteous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.


Why should they be proud when every country they've set foot in ended up worse off than before?

There is absolutely nothing righteous about Bush's campaigns in Iraq.



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31 Mar 2016, 5:54 pm

^

Be aware that you're responding to a post that is half of a year old, made by someone who hasnt posted on WP for about...half of a year!

Don't hold your breath waiting for a response.



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31 Mar 2016, 6:11 pm

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Why should they be proud when every country they've set foot in ended up worse off than before?

There is absolutely nothing righteous about Bush's campaigns in Iraq.

Well, Saddam Hussein is dead. That's something.



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01 Apr 2016, 12:50 am

AspE wrote:
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Why should they be proud when every country they've set foot in ended up worse off than before?

There is absolutely nothing righteous about Bush's campaigns in Iraq.

Well, Saddam Hussein is dead. That's something.

Counted among the 461,000 dead as a result of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. That's something, too.



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07 Apr 2016, 11:42 am

GGPViper wrote:
AspE wrote:
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Why should they be proud when every country they've set foot in ended up worse off than before?

There is absolutely nothing righteous about Bush's campaigns in Iraq.

Well, Saddam Hussein is dead. That's something.

Counted among the 461,000 dead as a result of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. That's something, too.

Mostly militants who would have been in ISIS anyway.