The "Islamization" of Europe is statistically impossible

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20 Oct 2015, 9:37 am

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Yes, we all unite under science.


But science is only one way for us to understand the universe. By no means is it the only way.


name one.


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20 Oct 2015, 10:45 am

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Immigration wouldn't bother me if the immigrants would leave their old culture behind and be ready to adapt and live in the new culture and become productive members of that new culture.

Anyone not ready to do so should stay where they are.

I couldn't agree more. Here in California we are expected to learn to speak Spanish and celebrate Cinco de Mayo. Some of these immigrants actually flaunt the Mexican flag on the Fourth of July.
They run down the country and system they immigrated to. They come here for advantages the country they emigrated from can't give them and then want us to turn into Madre Mexico, the country that crapped on them.
Once here, they play every angle, grabbing up as much social services as they can get (the state actually makes this easier for them than it does for citizens) and then working illegally, cutting the throats of working people such as myself.


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20 Oct 2015, 2:44 pm

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100% Islamization was a done deal before the current mess. In the cities, France, England, are no go neighborhoods fully taken over without firing a shot.

They are in effect taxing the Christian Community they conquered.

The south of France has fallen to Africa, a quarter of Paris is occupied.

Pakistan rules over their English Colonies in London.

Arabic or Pashtun is spoken, Islam is the only religion allowed, and "Native Police" are driven out.

Pay your Christian Dog Tax, give your children for sex slaves, and shut up!

This post manages the impressive feat of being less factually accurate than any I have previously read on WrongPlanet.



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20 Oct 2015, 10:21 pm

glebel wrote:
eric76 wrote:
Immigration wouldn't bother me if the immigrants would leave their old culture behind and be ready to adapt and live in the new culture and become productive members of that new culture.

Anyone not ready to do so should stay where they are.

I couldn't agree more. Here in California we are expected to learn to speak Spanish and celebrate Cinco de Mayo. Some of these immigrants actually flaunt the Mexican flag on the Fourth of July.
They run down the country and system they immigrated to. They come here for advantages the country they emigrated from can't give them and then want us to turn into Madre Mexico, the country that crapped on them.
Once here, they play every angle, grabbing up as much social services as they can get (the state actually makes this easier for them than it does for citizens) and then working illegally, cutting the throats of working people such as myself.


Isn't it funny that the most "proud" people seemingly come from the worst places on earth? Like I don't even get how Puerto Rico exists let alone the insane amount of nationalism they have for such a dirty overpopulated bankrupt crime ridden island. Don't ever talk to a Greek about Greece, they're even worse. Guess you gotta cling to something.

When you immigrate to America you should be prepared to leave your old culture behind, I am not interested in any more hyphenated Americans. If you want to benefits of this country then speak English, don't hide in ethnic enclave ghettos, stop differentiating yourselves, and remember if your culture you were coming from was so great you wouldn't of left it. I have connection to the culture of Germany, Norway, or Holland not do I have any special affinity for them, I am an American first and foremost.



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21 Oct 2015, 11:38 am

Wolfram87 wrote:
name one.


Spirituality. \o/

There's a whole other world beyond this one, that science fails to recognize. It shows how severely limited science is in its scope.



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21 Oct 2015, 12:00 pm

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Spirituality. \o/


What is the methodology of spirituality? How do you measure your spiritual experience against that of others? Does this mean that all religions are simultaneously true? If not why not, and how do you tell?

Subjective experience is not on-par with objective observations, so it must be stripped away in order to determine what is factual. Science is only limited in its scope in the sense that it only deals with things that have a verifiable degree of accuracy.

Science has provided plenty of answers with regard to various spiritual and religious experiences. Just because you don't like the answers does not mean your belief in magic is valid, or that science is just "close-minded".


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There's a whole other world beyond this one, that science fails to recognize. It shows how severely limited science is in its scope.


Wild assertion without a foundation.
Science is slowly building a stepladder out of data tentatively accepted as accurate. Spirituality is people pretending they can already fly, and demanding equal credit for the uplift provided.


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21 Oct 2015, 12:04 pm

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I don't even get how Puerto Rico exists

Puerto Rico is an American territory. Puerto Ricans are Americans. You're talking about it like it's another country but it's not.

And this is why people make fun of Americans. You barely know anything about your own history and culture, but you'll arrogantly tell immigrants what you think is wrong with their culture.

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If you want to benefits of this country then speak English, don't hide in ethnic enclave ghettos, stop differentiating yourselves, and remember if your culture you were coming from was so great you wouldn't of left it.


There's nothing wrong with Iraqi culture. If it weren't for George W. Bush (the W stands for War), I'd probably still be there. I left to escape the worst elements of your culture, not mine.



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21 Oct 2015, 1:59 pm

Barchan wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
I don't even get how Puerto Rico exists

Puerto Rico is an American territory. Puerto Ricans are Americans. You're talking about it like it's another country but it's not.

And this is why people make fun of Americans. You barely know anything about your own history and culture, but you'll arrogantly tell immigrants what you think is wrong with their culture.

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If you want to benefits of this country then speak English, don't hide in ethnic enclave ghettos, stop differentiating yourselves, and remember if your culture you were coming from was so great you wouldn't of left it.


There's nothing wrong with Iraqi culture. If it weren't for George W. Bush (the W stands for War), I'd probably still be there. I left to escape the worst elements of your culture, not mine.

There is something wrong with Iraqi culture if you import it into our country and then refuse to assimilate. One wonders how you could think that Iraq was so wonderful under Hussein, unless you were one of his people. Hmm...


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21 Oct 2015, 3:19 pm

Barchan wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
I don't even get how Puerto Rico exists

Puerto Rico is an American territory. Puerto Ricans are Americans. You're talking about it like it's another country but it's not.

And this is why people make fun of Americans. You barely know anything about your own history and culture, but you'll arrogantly tell immigrants what you think is wrong with their culture.

Jacoby wrote:
If you want to benefits of this country then speak English, don't hide in ethnic enclave ghettos, stop differentiating yourselves, and remember if your culture you were coming from was so great you wouldn't of left it.


There's nothing wrong with Iraqi culture. If it weren't for George W. Bush (the W stands for War), I'd probably still be there. I left to escape the worst elements of your culture, not mine.


I know plenty about Puerto Rico and have Puerto Rican family members, that's why I'm not like "hurrr durrr 51st state" when it shouldn't even be a US territory. Puerto Rico was a spoil of war against the Spanish because the US wanted naval bases in the Caribbean back in the late 1800s and a burden that we can't now discharge because it is an island with no real natural resources or economy to support itself on its own, if it had anything of value then it would be independent but it doesn't. Puerto Rico's only resource is their US citizenship. Back during the Cold War we weren't going to cede any territory in the Caribbean to the communists, Puerto Rico then gained its current status of commonwealth. Most Puerto Ricans actually live on the mainland, they wrap themselves in their flag(not the American flag) for some odd reason yet the stream of people off that island seems to grow and grow and grow.

As for there being nothing wrong with Iraqi culture, I think you're suffering from that nationalist delusion again of these essentially failed states. Now you won't find me defending American foreign policy any time soon, the US committed unfathomable war crimes against the Iraqi people over the course of 20 years but to say there is nothing wrong with the the modern culture seems pretty laughable to me considering how tribal and sectarian it is, the US didn't create those divisions and the violence that started way before the US ever arrived. What worth is there in Iraq now? It is no longer a legitimate country, part vassal state of Iran and a literal terrorist state by IS. Couldn't think of any possible reason you might of wanted to leave before American showed up? Be happy you are in America, Americans are an accepting people if you actually want to be an American and commit that idea unlike Europe where the best they can do is walk around on eggshells around you in the name of "multiculturalism". Jeez, what is the difference? Why do American Muslims integrate so much better than European ones? You actually can become an American but you will never be French or German or English if that isn't in your blood.

Considering I do not believe in Islam or any other religion, I think fervent followers of any hocus pocus probably shouldn't be encouraged to move here if they cannot integrate. There hasn't been an Islamic reformation, it's a religion stuck where Christianity was back in the middle ages. You need a Muslim Martin Luther but I'm pretty sure an imam or whatever could find themselves being executed for even expressing those views. There was a guy here, Rashad Khalifa, who headed a Quranist movement(rejecting the Hadith and Sunnah) that had a son that played professional baseball back in the 80s, he was stabbed to death in his mosque down in Tucson in one of the first al-Qaeda operations in the US in 1990. Apostasy and blasphemy carry a sentence of death, that is as backwards as it comes.



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21 Oct 2015, 5:25 pm

Barchan wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
I don't even get how Puerto Rico exists

Puerto Rico is an American territory. Puerto Ricans are Americans. You're talking about it like it's another country but it's not.



Then why they had their own national teams in the football World Cup and the Olympics?



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22 Oct 2015, 12:06 am

glebel wrote:
There is something wrong with Iraqi culture if you import it into our country and then refuse to assimilate.

I speak English, pay taxes, and obey laws. In what sense have I failed to assimilate?

Also, what do you mean your country? I'm an American citizen. It's my country as much as it is yours.


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One wonders how you could think that Iraq was so wonderful under Hussein, unless you were one of his people. Hmm...

"Hmm" what?

Are you seriously trying to imply that I'm a terrorist or terrorist-supporter?