Trump says "some groups in [the KKK may be] totally fine"

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01 Mar 2016, 12:16 pm

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Tell that to the three counter-protesters stabbed at that Southern California KKK "rally" last weekend...one had his abdomen perforated by a metal flag pole by those non-existing people.


Their fault. They attacked the KKK march, which is protected under your 1st Amendment. Whilst the KKK may hold opinions people don't like, they're only opinions and are protected under your laws. There's video of it all out there, and the KKK were defending themselves.

As for the thread, Obama marched with the "New" Black Panthers. Puts things into perspective, yes?


If by "things" you mean Trump's comments on white supremacist groups, then no, this comment about President Obama adds no meaningful perspective.

The reason the KKK rally in Anaheim, a city with a sordid history of deep KKK involvement in local government, was brought into the conversation was not to address the question of who was at fault in starting the fracas there, but rather to put the lie to Jacoby's comment that the KKK does not exist.


they exist sort of like vampires exist, like i said I been to one of these protests and its 100% a joke. It literally like 10 people + a ton of police protection and then like 10x the counter-protesters. Like the WBC.


Yes I am sure it is great fun for you....meanwhile the ideas these groups promote are still problematic, people still can face racial harassment or assault. Those 10 people doing their little march isn't very fearsome sure....but it still points to the fact there are people who believe very much in white supremacy and racism and that KKK and neo-Nazi organizations exist...and thus there are people willing to promote and fight for those ideas.

I don't know about anyone else but even if kkk/Nazi marches are small and not very threatening....I still don't want a president who's a Nazi/kkk apologist which he seems to be if he can't even condemn someones involvement in that crap but is more than willing to lick up their support.


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01 Mar 2016, 12:29 pm

Trump is not a Nazi or KKK apologist tho so you are buying into a false narrative being forced upon you the media. Those 10 people should be ignored but the reason they aren't is because they serve a political purpose, they need a boogeyman and someone to rally against. No, it's not a serious issue in 2016 but it's a good misdirection.



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01 Mar 2016, 12:43 pm

For those here knocking Trump, you will need to first explain why you want a murderess, lying, old bag for President. Until you do, there's no need to explain ANYTHING Trump does.


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01 Mar 2016, 12:47 pm

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Trump is not a Nazi or KKK apologist tho so you are buying into a false narrative being forced upon you the media. Those 10 people should be ignored but the reason they aren't is because they serve a political purpose, they need a boogeyman and someone to rally against. No, it's not a serious issue in 2016 but it's a good misdirection.


No that he refused to disavow support from that David Duke guy, you know former KKK member or whatever....and claimed to not know anything about the group. Either he's a KKK/Nazi apologist or he's a complete idiot both of which make him unfit for president.

How is it a false narrative, the man condemns himself with his own mouth over and over. are you suggesting the media just made this all up and none of it happened, they staged this video?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/01/politics/paul-ryan-donald-trump-kkk/index.html
Anyone could see either he's an idiot or he's playing stupid...what kind of an American has never heard of the KKK or white supremacy. No as I stated before I base my opinions on his words and actions, the media isn't telling me what to think.


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01 Mar 2016, 12:53 pm

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For those here knocking Trump, you will need to first explain why you want a murderess, lying, old bag for President. Until you do, there's no need to explain ANYTHING Trump does.


If you mean Hilary I don't want her, that would be just as bad as Trump. Also though what you're basically saying is Trumps actions all ought to be excused because some people are willing to vote for the lying old bag....probably not a very good mentality to encourage, its better people are more critical and knowledgable of their potential would be presidents.


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01 Mar 2016, 1:05 pm

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Trump is not a Nazi or KKK apologist tho so you are buying into a false narrative being forced upon you the media. Those 10 people should be ignored but the reason they aren't is because they serve a political purpose, they need a boogeyman and someone to rally against. No, it's not a serious issue in 2016 but it's a good misdirection.


No that he refused to disavow support from that David Duke guy, you know former KKK member or whatever....and claimed to not know anything about the group. Either he's a KKK/Nazi apologist or he's a complete idiot both of which make him unfit for president.

How is it a false narrative, the man condemns himself with his own mouth over and over. are you suggesting the media just made this all up and none of it happened, they staged this video?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/01/politics/paul-ryan-donald-trump-kkk/index.html
Anyone could see either he's an idiot or he's playing stupid...what kind of an American has never heard of the KKK or white supremacy. No as I stated before I base my opinions on his words and actions, the media isn't telling me what to think.


David Duke hasn't been relevant in 25 years so why does he have to comment on the guy over and over and over again, Trump disavowed Duke's "endorsement" multiple times before that which he shouldn't even have to do but as I said this is a tried and true media smear technique that they've been using for a very long time now. The day before Super Tuesday? You don't think this wasn't all set up? Don't be naive. It's not words or his actions, it's spin on his words and actions.



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01 Mar 2016, 3:35 pm

Why does he have to do so? Because if he doesn't he'll lose the vote of all those non-racist Republicans. This is about PR & Trump is painting himself into a corner...


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01 Mar 2016, 3:49 pm

Jacoby wrote:
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Trump is not a Nazi or KKK apologist tho so you are buying into a false narrative being forced upon you the media. Those 10 people should be ignored but the reason they aren't is because they serve a political purpose, they need a boogeyman and someone to rally against. No, it's not a serious issue in 2016 but it's a good misdirection.


No that he refused to disavow support from that David Duke guy, you know former KKK member or whatever....and claimed to not know anything about the group. Either he's a KKK/Nazi apologist or he's a complete idiot both of which make him unfit for president.

How is it a false narrative, the man condemns himself with his own mouth over and over. are you suggesting the media just made this all up and none of it happened, they staged this video?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/01/politics/paul-ryan-donald-trump-kkk/index.html
Anyone could see either he's an idiot or he's playing stupid...what kind of an American has never heard of the KKK or white supremacy. No as I stated before I base my opinions on his words and actions, the media isn't telling me what to think.


David Duke hasn't been relevant in 25 years so why does he have to comment on the guy over and over and over again, Trump disavowed Duke's "endorsement" multiple times before that which he shouldn't even have to do but as I said this is a tried and true media smear technique that they've been using for a very long time now. The day before Super Tuesday? You don't think this wasn't all set up? Don't be naive. It's not words or his actions, it's spin on his words and actions.


Do you have some evidence that Trump disavowed this endorsement multiple times before that video? And if that were the case why did it seem to be so difficult for him to do it publicly? Also do you really believe he doesn't know anything about the KKK or white supremacy...how did the media spin that in the video exactly, it came out of his mouth.

Also you keep insisting that anything I say or think must be the medias spin, or what the media tells me to think ect....well where do you get your information that is so much better than the news and other media sources the rest of us are stuck with? I am willing to bet your sources are just as second hand as anyone elses...but if you think somehow the media is behind Trump claiming to not know about the KKK or white supremacy fine, but video didn't look edited to me.


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01 Mar 2016, 3:52 pm

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Why does he have to do so? Because if he doesn't he'll lose the vote of all those non-racist Republicans. This is about PR & Trump is painting himself into a corner...


Yes it seems the republican party doesn't want to be associated with things like the KKK, white supremacy or anything like that...so they want any canidate running for the nomination to publicly denounce that sort of thing and refuse/disavow support from those groups and people in them. Trump is simply refusing to do this...hoping he can just weasel is way out of it. Why would a candidate want their potential voters having any question in their mind as to whether they're a racist scumbag or not...anyways unless they are one.


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01 Mar 2016, 4:55 pm

There are many people afraid of Trump.

I've spoken to people who say they might emigrate to Canada should he be elected.

I sense that the fear is growing. Even people who profess to be apolitical seem to have a real visceral fear of Trump.



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01 Mar 2016, 5:20 pm

I've seen polls that show more people are afraid of the outcomes of the 2016 presidential election than would be happy with who wins.


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01 Mar 2016, 5:54 pm

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For those here knocking Trump, you will need to first explain why you want a murderess, lying, old bag for President. Until you do, there's no need to explain ANYTHING Trump does.


Why? Not that it really matters.

Not all of us who are against Trump are by default for Hillary. Either way we will all lose, period.

Just to humor you though:

"Hoe bag" is bought and owned by the big banks and isn't going to change course whatsoever if she becomes president.

"Speaks out his ass" is a billionaire and is part of the problem (Look up the fact that we no longer live in a democracy but rather an oligarchy). Trump will only be thinking about his bottom line as president, not yours.


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01 Mar 2016, 9:41 pm

nurseangela wrote:
For those here knocking Trump, you will need to first explain why you want a murderess, lying, old bag for President. Until you do, there's no need to explain ANYTHING Trump does.

The Supreme Court. I don't want Trump appointing someone that's going to trample on women's rights. Also Hillary killed no one, except in her capacity as Secretary of State, indirectly.

I would vote for Trump, but I don't like losers, I like winners:

National poll: Clinton, Sanders both top Trump



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01 Mar 2016, 10:04 pm

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For those here knocking Trump, you will need to first explain why you want a murderess, lying, old bag for President. Until you do, there's no need to explain ANYTHING Trump does.
No one needs to explain why they cast their vote the way they choose.

"Not Trump" because he's been endorsed by David Duke, former Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan. Even though Mr. Trump allegedly "disavowed" the nomination, there is something about Mr. Trump that even one of the most virulent racists admires. Then there's those four bankruptcies, and the current IRS audit of his financial activities (follow the money).

"Not Clinton" because ... Benghazi ... Ron Brown (one of four Clinton campaign fund raisers to die under questionable circumstances) ... Chelsea's slanderous rejection of a military escort during an official White House function ... The Bill & Monica Scandal (If she can't keep her own house in order, then how can she be expected to run a country?)

Write in my name, folks. My slogan of the week is "Not as bad as the others!"

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01 Mar 2016, 10:12 pm

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For those here knocking Trump, you will need to first explain why you want a murderess, lying, old bag for President. Until you do, there's no need to explain ANYTHING Trump does.
No one needs to explain why they cast their vote the way they choose.

"Not Trump" because he's been endorsed by David Duke, former Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan. Even though Mr. Trump allegedly "disavowed" the nomination, there is something about Mr. Trump that even one of the most virulent racists admires. Then there's those four bankruptcies, and the current IRS audit of his financial activities (follow the money).

"Not Clinton" because ... Benghazi ... Ron Brown (one of four Clinton campaign fund raisers to die under questionable circumstances) ... Chelsea's slanderous rejection of a military escort during an official White House function ... The Bill & Monica Scandal (If she can't keep her own house in order, then how can she be expected to run a country?)

Write in my name, folks. My slogan of the week is "Not as bad as the others!"

They call me Fnord, and I approve of this post.


People keep bringing up the four bankruptcies, but Trump has been able to make money again. Anyone can get audited, but I believe the IRS has special interest in auditing the top 1% in hopes they will find a boo boo. Not real big on the KKK. My take on it is that the media is trying to find anything they can get Trump on. I've been so busy lately, I haven't been able to keep up on the news or this KKK business so I can't really comment much.

I don't know who Ron Brown is, but I should look that up since I am Miss Conspiracy Theorist. :mrgreen:

So if it's between those two (which it looks pretty likely), then you won't be voting I take it?


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02 Mar 2016, 2:35 am

Despite the fact that Trump has sort of disavowed Duke's support, the fact remains, Trump has had the endorsement of racist groups for the life of his Presidential campaign. These people have been issuing robocalls on Trump's behalf, and have even appeared at his rallies in full Klan regalia. Racist thugs have physically attacked Latino and Muslim Americans, using Trump's call for action for justification for their violence. For all of this, Trump's denunciation of them has been tepid at best, as he understands that his message resonates with them, and so doesn't want to drive their support off completely.


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