Some Orthodox Christians drive me crazy..

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You claim you don't like it when people claim religious superiority, or harassing others. Yet this whole thread, including you, are harassing members of a faith for their belief in this miracle, telling them it is false and WRONG. Thus proclaiming your own beliefs superior to ours.

It is very much an anti-Orthodox thread when you chose to insult our beliefs, our miracles, our celebrations, calling it fake and wrong, and as any rational person can see - you think we are stupid enough to believe in it. And no doubt in your opinion the virgin birth and the resurrection are all stupid and wrong, too. YES, deciding to create and contribute to a thread that mocks and steps on the beliefs of others is harassment - whether you can be honest enough to admit to it or not.

This is fallacy.

Harassment involves actively targeting a person or group, where they cannot get away. This is a thread is simply complaining about it, normal experience of dissatisfaction. You are free to disagree, ignore or whatever you want.

It is within the rules of this forum to criticise an ideology, and the practitioners of that ideology.

There is no freedom from offense. The reason is one's rights cannot counteract anther's So your right not to be offended doesn't trump Boos expression. Both the Orthodox Christians that contacted him, and his word are forms of expression.

Also extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So it is one thing believing in the miracles, however if these people want others to believe in these miracles should expect some comeback.

If you are strong in your faith then you aught to have thicker skin.

Part of Christianity is ti evangelise and proselytise. If people are to do then they are to expect criticism, scrutiny, question. After all they are trying to convince others. It comes with the territory.

If they are free to do that as they are, then people are free to complain about it. Simple.

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I don't like it when people believe in things which are wrong, and can easily be disproved (or already have been), then claim to be superior because of their beliefs.

This applies to anything, not just religion. It's annoying, and it's rude. People can believe what they want, and ought to leave others alone for the most part.

I do think that this thread might be a bad idea, though. I don't know how many orthodox Christians believe in it, but apparently some do. Just like some Catholics actually believe in transubstantiation, and some don't. I think people are feeling like their religion is being mocked, because they believe that the phenomenon is genuine.

As a member of the Orthodox Church, I don't feel my religion is being mocked here at all. The OP drew attention to some fairly outlandish behaviour on the part of a certain section of Orthodox believers, which I also find excessive and thus likely to attract misunderstandings and criticism. Actually those people are the exception, not the rule in Orthodoxy.

One thing that has struck me over the years, is that the only way to understand the Orthodox Church and its mystical theology is to be part of it. It can't be grasped from outside. We don't proselytise, we don't evangelise. In this it differs from the Western Churches.

Well this a reality of life.

If people believe in supernatural things, then you should expect some inquiry. Especially if the want others to believe too.

There is a differnce from between a person who's feeling are hurt becuase they didn't like soemthign someone said, and someone who is actually persecuted.

We all have thing that wound us emotionally. I doesn't necessarily mean it is someone else's responsibility.

I'm from a Catholic family.

The Catholic position is the Eucharist is the the genuine body and blood of Christ, not symbolic. I think this the Orthodox position too.

However how many of their practitioner believe this I'm not sure.

However even the catholic position is you cannot perceive the differnce,

I think it right to ask questions of this, since it doesn't make too much sense.

My experience of Orthodox has been mixed.

I have met people who I think are more invested in the traditions and rituals, rather then really caring about the ideology. Often nationalism/culture is a factor, which is why you get a mix of pre-Christian faiths (or recreated ones), and

It was interesting when a traveling monk/priest came to the Greek dancing I went to. I'm not much of a dancer, but I was with a friend we were a bit 'merry' from drink, so we dared ourselves to go up. We irreparably broke Greek Dancing forever. Sorry about that, the music actually stopped. Still we had a good laugh. Top tip: If you want to join Greek dancing don't join it from the front and dance like a demented Morris dancer:lol:

Years ago there was a WP meet in Hyde Park London. There was a very fire and brimstone Orthodox guy, very obsessive rule based Aspie. He attacked what he called 'demonocracy' as in democracy itself was behind immorality in the world and was demonic.

Hyperborean on the other hand is a reasonable guy I can attest.

I disagree with the Greek Church's policy on cremation, especially as people can't bury their dead without paying rent on the graves, due to not being able to afford it. Having to dig up their relatives.

Also if resurrection works for ossuary (essentially a space with a jumble of bones), then surely it is not problem with ash. I mean most of the body is decomposed anyway. It is already broken down by microbes.

I was an orthodox Christian for over a decade. Even spent a few years of it living in a monastery. There is no special mystical theology. Nor one that a person had to be a member of to understand. Just another denomination with their own set of dogmas.

The Eastern Orthodox strike me as the least "annoying" of the Christian sects.

Theyre kinda low key, dont Evangalize much, and even back in the 19th Century they never had much of a problem with things like Charles Darwin.

If the OP came here to the States and encountered the Western Rite Catholics and Protestants who dominate here, and had Mormons, and Jehovah's Witnesses knock on his door, and had campus Evangelical Protestants get into his face with their "good news", and were to go to the Creation Museum in Kentucky to see the dioramas of Jesus riding dinosaurs, he would learn the real meaning of the word "annoying".