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As I said, Trump's supporters see him as the second coming. He will cure healthcare, cast out the stranger, and destroy terrorism, all with a wave of his hand, and saying, "It shall be so." Then he will usher in a golden age, where money flows from kitchen sinks, and the Chinese and Mexicans are our vassals.
GIVE ME A HALLELUJAH, BROTHER!

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Personally, I'd be happy if he annoys the liberals and appoints Supreme Court justices I can live with.

Well, if he's still the Donald Trump of old, that means he's probably a lot more liberal than his supporters realize, and if he's as conservative as he now says he is, then expect to be disappointed with a Supreme Court sticking it's nose into people's bedrooms, and letting states get away with the worst kind of civil rights violations. Or in other words, expect the big let down.

That's a risk I'm willing to take when the alternative is Hillary Clinton.

Same^

Trump is a chance at something good, Hilary is a guarantee at something so horribly terrible we'll never recover from.

It's pretty easy choice.

Like jumping from a flaming building. If you jump you might live if you stay you're going burn to death. A chance is better then no chance.

Clinton would probably be a continuation of the Obama years, but with more savvy in handling congress. I can only imagine how America would survive with a thin skinned narcissist who thinks the country can be run like a failed casino, who thinks world leaders will fold to him like the sycophants he surrounds himself with, and who has little concern for the xenophobia he's unleashed among his fanclub.

You are parroting stupid attack lines, Clinton would be a lot like Barack Obama who was a lot like George W Bush yes but Donald Trump is is preferable to all three. Trump wouldn't of gotten us into Iraq, he wouldn't of signed NAFTA, he wouldn't of let China into the WTO, a whole bunch of things that make much preferable. I do not care that Trump isn't nice to Bush family or the Clinton's, I like Trump attacking people because these are people that should be ridiculed and embarrassed and they've said way worse about him since day 1 so it is just returning fire.

Hillary is the narcissist, she is not a nice person by anyone's description and by most accounts does not seem to like people. Her daily greeting to the Secret Service in the morning is "**** you". Someone with no qualifications that she is willing to stand behind, someone is more than ethically challenged, someone that is honestly a criminal should not be president. Trump literally could shoot somebody in the middle of the street and he'd still be better than Hillary, he'd have to take a long time to catch up to the Clinton's body count tho of course. Why is she running for president? What is her campaign even about? What was it about in 2008? It was a completely different campaign, it's kind of a joke the attacks you people make towards Trump about being ideologically inconsistent but he isn't anywhere near as bad as Hillary is at the same thing and Trump has only been a politician for the last year or so. Everything bad you can say about Trump can be said tenfold about Hillary and Bill Clinton.

Do you support open borders? Do you support eliminating the 2nd amendment? Do you support perpetual war? That's Hillary's platform right there.

Hillary is going to get very few crossover voters, she's going to lose independents and a decent chuck of the D electorate and she won't make that up with all these new Mexican voters she has found. Trump will win the midwest, most of battleground states. Hillary is in deep trouble in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Virginia, her campaign is in a tailspin and I believe she will lose in a landslide. Bernie voters aren't going to fall in line, they've done him dirtier than Ron Paul and how many Ron Paul supporters did you know that voted for Romney? This isn't like Hillary's voters in 2008 in a Democratic wave year, a lot of Bernie fans will vote Trump before Hillary. It's all playing out like expected, I hear that Bernie supporters are going to stage a huge protest at the DNC convention in Philadelphia. 1968 all over again.

Well, I could personally care less if Trump is nice to the Bush family or not.
And as far as Trump not making those past mistakes you listed, all I have to say to that is, 20/20 hindsight hardly counts. Shoulda, woulda, coulda. We don't know how Trump would have reacted with those situations had he been in the White House at the time.
And Clinton a narcissist? Compared to Trump, she comes across as the most humble person in the world. And no, I don't particularly like Clinton, but I prefer her to a bloviating windbag with delusions of grandeur, and who's apparently had a dead orangatang sewed to his balding head.
And no, I don't want absolute open borders, and I don't want to see the 2nd amendment abolished, and I somehow don't think Clinton wants those things, either.
As for avoiding the mistakes of foreign militaristic adventurism by Trump: He talks endlessly about destroying ISIS. How is that going to be accomplished without further costly wars?
Does it matter to you that Trump is unleashing the ugly, pent up racial hysteria among his fanclub? He may think he can get voted into the White House on that cesspool of hate, and that it then will disappear. But the thing is, it won't. Nothing is worse for a ethnically and religiously pluralistic society than having a demagogue demonizing "the other," when that "other" are our fellow citizens.

Seems pointless. He's a hardcore dem and will always side and believe dem lies as long as the trout the party line. Can't get through to people like that, they've drank too much of the koolade. Your have more luck convincing Kim jung that his ways are bad then convincing hard core dems of the lies our party tells.

Yup^^^

I'll also post this to take a shot at the Republicans that just vote for Rs just to do it. Whoever voted for Paul Ryan is a f**king moron.

I'm a democrat who's voted republican last two presidential elections.

My grandma voted all republican just because they're republican to send a message.

I review the candidates, their positions and past. Just so happens it's mostly republicans who tend to be more middle ground here. Kraichgauer isn't a all bad guy, it's too bad he's blindly democrat.

If I had my way I'd ban both parties and make it illegal to mention their names. Politicians are afraid to speak up in fear of going against to party line. One can't be a pro gun dem without getting expelled by the party. One can't be a pro welfar republican either. The party system forces people to hide what they know is right thing to do in order to keep the party happy. It's stupid. I'd be w horrible politician. I won't bend my morals to apease the party.

Republicans have more Constitutional members, that's why I'm a registered Republican. The trouble is when members such as John McCain and Paul Ryan get voted in and keep getting voted in. Conservatives and Liberals both in general just vote for the parties, liberals are just worse with it.

lol so all the evilness and awful things that Hillary has supported gets summed up with 'eh, **** happens', you would vote for the Democrat if they started to kill a whole bunch of people because you don't like to think that hard apparently and are too tied up team blue/team red stupidity. We can know what Trump would do because Trump was alive and opposed the war, Hillary not only voted for the war but was one of the main advocates for it.

What foreign militaristic adventurism does Trump support? Yes, he supports destroying ISIS and Hillary just says she does but she is just the same as Obama and will make the problem 10x worse like I dunno deepening our involvement in Libya's civil war which was Hillary's baby by the way. Hillary is the warmonger, Hillary is the neocon, Trump opposes these BS wars and will make peace with Russia so we can destroy these scum once and for all, with Russia maybe even China could be convinced to help because China has a very real emerging terrorist threat as well. Hillary wants to arm terrorist to fight dictators and other terrorists, the height of stupidity but I believe that is by design. The US essentially created ISIS, we essentially created al-Qaeda too.

For somebody that all they think about is how bad minorities have it, you certainly live in one of the whitest parts of the country. So much for a ethnically and religiously pluralistic society, how can you 'love' diversity when you move as far as possible from it? I've seen this with a lot of liberals when they grow up in all-white communities, they look at other races as novelties and have no way of relating the real experience with theirs so they have take this invented BS narrative. Nothing Trump has said has been racist, his policies will actually help minorities who are in this country LEGALLY as the issues of illegal immigration and trade disproportionately hurt their communities. You have yours and your white guilt can't allow you to see beyond your experience, you have no idea.

You can say 'I'm no fan' a bunch of times but if you weren't you could look at thinks objectively and see that Trump is easily the superior candidate.

Lay off the MSNBC bro

I never moved to the Pacific Northwest; I was born here. My family on my dad's side had been here since the 1880's.
And what does the lack of racial diversity in my part of the country have to do with feeling empathy for other Americans who have been disadvantaged for the superficial reason of skin color? Am I supposed to have a less charitable view of them if I was born in a more diverse area? By the way, it might be surprising to you, but we actually do have a number of non-whites here.
Incidentally, I'm a CNN guy.

Wow, that's an astute analysis for someone so self-deluded about Trump. You cannot explain any of his inconsistencies and your support basically comes down to a sort of cultish faith.

Let me analyze you.

I'd say you really like Trump because he's an unabashed racist and misogynist. His complete lack of shame after saying the most despicable things gives you a pass, and permission, to express your own backward ideas. He's liberating you from the tyranny of political correctness--not to mention common decency...

Now, let me poke a hole in your analysis of liberals. I live in a very poor, very brown neighborhood where at least three languages are spoken.

The biggest impact immigration has had on my community is this: We have a ton of really great bakeries now, and I can stop by the neighborhood Taquiera for tamales and hot chocolate on my morning trike ride...


It's a pretty good deal.

Now, could you explain again, IN REAL TERMS, how Trump is going to protect workers AND deregulate Wall Street, AND reform healthcare AND do away with the personal mandate, AND cut taxes AND preserve entitlements AND give every voter a pet unicorn that s**ts strawberry softserve with sprinkles.....

Also, if Trump is such a great, persuasive negotiator, why can't he convince me that he isn't a short-fingered vulgarian and BS artist?