28 May 2016, 1:06 pm
Kraichgauer
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28 May 2016, 3:52 pm
Iamaparakeet wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Iamaparakeet wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Iamaparakeet wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
One side point - the thing about demons only being exorcisable by Christ or by the name of Christ, I don't know how to break this but that's something of a rumor. There are a lot of people from far eastern religions who can do it, lots of practicing neoplatonists and neopagans can, also a lot of dedicated ceremonial magicians can do the same.
I don't know what my take is on overshadowing/obsession/possession is as to whether or not it's a subconscious data glitch, whether it's psychology being beat with psychology or not, but I am familiar with particular Hermetic practitioners being called by Catholic and Lutheran diocese at times - largely because of how few priests really believe in that stuff let alone have the experience or wherewithal to do so.
I don't know what my take is on overshadowing/obsession/possession is as to whether or not it's a subconscious data glitch, whether it's psychology being beat with psychology or not, but I am familiar with particular Hermetic practitioners being called by Catholic and Lutheran diocese at times - largely because of how few priests really believe in that stuff let alone have the experience or wherewithal to do so.
Perhaps in many cases it is just psychological or sociological in nature, but not the ones with levitation, superhuman strength, telekinesis, speaking in languages the possessed person doesn't know, etc. I would guess that demons probably play along with the beliefs of those around them, particularly ones that benefit them by encouraging sins - like praying to dead people such as saints, praying to false gods, or chanting, which are all sins according to Levitical law, and so they add to and encourage the sins of those around them to help drag them down further.
Chanting?
I can't find the reference, but I remember reading it specifically in either Leviticus or Deuteronomy, but also Christ said not to pray like the hypocrites who think God will hear them due to their repetitions.
I take Christ's saying that we should not pray like the hypocrites to be more along the line of making a big public show in which the one doing the praying, rather than God, is receiving all the attention. Chanting, on the other hand, is a communal act in the worship of God.
In regard to your previous post, concerning the movie The Exorcism Of Emily Rose: While it was " based" on a true story, the fact is, the priests who conducted the exorcism had been convicted and imprisoned, after the poor girl who they had tortured for weeks to get the Devil out of her died of gangrene. That's something the movie never cared to mention.
I kind of what thinking more of them chanting prayers like this:
"Exorcizamus te, omnis immundus spiritus
omnis satanica potestas, omnis incursio
infernalis adversarii, omnis legio,
omnis congregatio et secta diabolica.
Ergo draco maledicte
et omnis legio diabolica
adjuramus te.
Cessa decipere humanas creaturas,
eisque aeternae Perditionis venenum propinare.
Vade, Satana, inventor et magister
omnis fallaciae, hostis humanae salutis.
Humiliare sub potenti manu dei,
contremisce et effuge, invocato a
nobis sancto et terribili nomine,
quem inferi tremunt.
Ab insidiis diaboli, libera nos, Domine.
Ut Ecclesiam tuam secura tibi facias libertate servire
te rogamus, audi nos.
Ut inimicos sanctae Ecclesiae humiliare digneris,
te rogamus, audi nos.
Terribilis Deus de sanctuario suo.
Deus Israhel ipse truderit virtutem
et fortitudinem plebi Suae.
Benedictus Deus. Gloria Patri."
But as far as worship songs and stuff go, to the pure all things are pure. I don't think being convicted in earthly courts means anything, since they let actual murderers walk free, sentence the innocent to death, and so much else to prove that "Justice" isn't blind but either cares only for money while it's looking at its scales to see who gave the least gold or is just plain stupid and doesn't care about truth and right and wrong but only cares about arbitrarily enforcing gibberish which human lawmakers fished out of their toilets and letting murderers and rapists walk free on "technicalities" while innocent people get falsely convicted of murder only to be proven innocent years after they've been murdered by the "justice" system. I don't know all the details of Michel's case, but I know how naturalism is presumed true and so any thought to the contrary would be ignored. I also know that Jackie and I gave each other our lifelong vows, neither of us have ever had sex outside of marriage, and as per Christ in Mark 10:1-12 we are still married and if we married anyone else it would be considered adultery regardless of whatever human courts pretend to say is "okay", since all authority comes from Christ, they are not able to validly say anything in opposition to His will regardless of whatever they would presume to say in contradiction to the will of God.
In the real incident the movie was based on, I think the priests and parents were guilty, as their actions had led directly to the girl's death. The only problem was, no one got more than a few years, if I am remembering the sentences handed down by the court correctly.
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28 May 2016, 4:52 pm
07 Jun 2016, 2:37 pm
07 Jun 2016, 2:40 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Iamaparakeet wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Iamaparakeet wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Iamaparakeet wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
One side point - the thing about demons only being exorcisable by Christ or by the name of Christ, I don't know how to break this but that's something of a rumor. There are a lot of people from far eastern religions who can do it, lots of practicing neoplatonists and neopagans can, also a lot of dedicated ceremonial magicians can do the same.
I don't know what my take is on overshadowing/obsession/possession is as to whether or not it's a subconscious data glitch, whether it's psychology being beat with psychology or not, but I am familiar with particular Hermetic practitioners being called by Catholic and Lutheran diocese at times - largely because of how few priests really believe in that stuff let alone have the experience or wherewithal to do so.
I don't know what my take is on overshadowing/obsession/possession is as to whether or not it's a subconscious data glitch, whether it's psychology being beat with psychology or not, but I am familiar with particular Hermetic practitioners being called by Catholic and Lutheran diocese at times - largely because of how few priests really believe in that stuff let alone have the experience or wherewithal to do so.
Perhaps in many cases it is just psychological or sociological in nature, but not the ones with levitation, superhuman strength, telekinesis, speaking in languages the possessed person doesn't know, etc. I would guess that demons probably play along with the beliefs of those around them, particularly ones that benefit them by encouraging sins - like praying to dead people such as saints, praying to false gods, or chanting, which are all sins according to Levitical law, and so they add to and encourage the sins of those around them to help drag them down further.
Chanting?
I can't find the reference, but I remember reading it specifically in either Leviticus or Deuteronomy, but also Christ said not to pray like the hypocrites who think God will hear them due to their repetitions.
I take Christ's saying that we should not pray like the hypocrites to be more along the line of making a big public show in which the one doing the praying, rather than God, is receiving all the attention. Chanting, on the other hand, is a communal act in the worship of God.
In regard to your previous post, concerning the movie The Exorcism Of Emily Rose: While it was " based" on a true story, the fact is, the priests who conducted the exorcism had been convicted and imprisoned, after the poor girl who they had tortured for weeks to get the Devil out of her died of gangrene. That's something the movie never cared to mention.
I kind of what thinking more of them chanting prayers like this:
"Exorcizamus te, omnis immundus spiritus
omnis satanica potestas, omnis incursio
infernalis adversarii, omnis legio,
omnis congregatio et secta diabolica.
Ergo draco maledicte
et omnis legio diabolica
adjuramus te.
Cessa decipere humanas creaturas,
eisque aeternae Perditionis venenum propinare.
Vade, Satana, inventor et magister
omnis fallaciae, hostis humanae salutis.
Humiliare sub potenti manu dei,
contremisce et effuge, invocato a
nobis sancto et terribili nomine,
quem inferi tremunt.
Ab insidiis diaboli, libera nos, Domine.
Ut Ecclesiam tuam secura tibi facias libertate servire
te rogamus, audi nos.
Ut inimicos sanctae Ecclesiae humiliare digneris,
te rogamus, audi nos.
Terribilis Deus de sanctuario suo.
Deus Israhel ipse truderit virtutem
et fortitudinem plebi Suae.
Benedictus Deus. Gloria Patri."
But as far as worship songs and stuff go, to the pure all things are pure. I don't think being convicted in earthly courts means anything, since they let actual murderers walk free, sentence the innocent to death, and so much else to prove that "Justice" isn't blind but either cares only for money while it's looking at its scales to see who gave the least gold or is just plain stupid and doesn't care about truth and right and wrong but only cares about arbitrarily enforcing gibberish which human lawmakers fished out of their toilets and letting murderers and rapists walk free on "technicalities" while innocent people get falsely convicted of murder only to be proven innocent years after they've been murdered by the "justice" system. I don't know all the details of Michel's case, but I know how naturalism is presumed true and so any thought to the contrary would be ignored. I also know that Jackie and I gave each other our lifelong vows, neither of us have ever had sex outside of marriage, and as per Christ in Mark 10:1-12 we are still married and if we married anyone else it would be considered adultery regardless of whatever human courts pretend to say is "okay", since all authority comes from Christ, they are not able to validly say anything in opposition to His will regardless of whatever they would presume to say in contradiction to the will of God.
In the real incident the movie was based on, I think the priests and parents were guilty, as their actions had led directly to the girl's death. The only problem was, no one got more than a few years, if I am remembering the sentences handed down by the court correctly.
In the real incident Annelise Michel also claimed to have Hitler as a demon, so it probably was mental illness. Though I wouldn't be surprised if Hitler were demon possessed like the antichrist will be.
