Why is free college such a crazy idea? (Hint: IT'S NOT)

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Even with loans and grants, most private colleges are still prohibitively expensive.

One would probably have to stick to state university systems.

Our government is making a KILLING off student loans, it's one the only profitable things they do and they do it by enslaving our children with mountains of debt for useless degrees that become worth less and less with each passing year.

High school should prepare people to work, I think Germany tier education system is much better than ours because the reality is that not everybody should go to college and sending people that shouldn't go to college to college is just as bad giving a housing loan to someone that shouldn't get a housing loan. Germany's system could never be accepted here as it isn't considered egalitarian and would considered the most racist thing since slavery but the reality is that Germany does education much much better than the United States I think the bottom of their society does much much better than ours.

Free community college is a ridiculous idea because go look at the graduation rates at these community colleges, how can we pay for everybody to go to community college when less than 30% graduate. So many people in community college basically have to redo core competencies with remedial classes that they can go for whole year before getting any credits that go to their degree.

Public universities are done by many 1st world nations, each nations system is different to greater or lesser extent and all have strengths and weaknesses.

So, if the US wants to do this, I'd suggest they go study the ones that are established and known to work, and decide which system is the best fit for them.

But it's obviously not "impossible" if it's being done by a whole slew of 1st world countries.

Let me first quote another part of the bible before I continue...

[Luke 6:42] "How can you think of saying, 'Friend, let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye,' when you can't see past the log in your own eye? Hypocrite! First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend's eye."

With that having been said, the entire "trusted/verified/credible" source argument was covered in the thread, even if not necessarily in book-length depth. Furthermore, a lot of those contents ARE writings of my own, considering that I was the one who started that thread.

This country is also not really a country. The whole entire thing is a corporation. Anything you see on television is corporate-controlled and basically nothing more than a stage-show (full of fake news to make naïve people mad). You will hopefully get a much clearer picture of this by the time you reach your thirties, but in order for that to happen, you have to swallow your pride and actually give seemingly inaccurate view-points the courtesy of taking the time to view their evidence, before you come to a conclusion (like it says in Matthew 7:5).

Now that we are on the same page, I have to ask, how would YOU go about making college free to everybody ? Also, what is stopping you, considering that this IS a "free" (trolololol) country ? Just go and set up your college(s) for students to attend for free... seriously... what is stopping you ? Furthermore, what purpose does college even serve these days, besides being an indoctrination-centre ? How does the existence of colleges help improve anything in the economy or society ? The television already makes people dumb enough as it is without the additional need for them to become even dumber from the mind-damaging "education" that comes out of colleges.

I also want you to chew on the concept of economic-usefulness and productivity. Most jobs in the corporation of the United States are useless, and by useless, I mean they contribute absolutely nothing to the maintenance nor advancement of society, something like being paid to hold up a telephone-pole that would be able to stand on its own anyway. Colleges also teach its students that the strength of an economy depends on how many investors invest into the stock-market (I hope you have done your homework by now on the scam of Ponzi-Schemes). You can pump all that fiat-money into a stock-market all you want, but if nobody is growing food, you are all still going to starve, and speaking of which... that has been happening in the Venezuelan food-crisis despite being one of the "richest" countries in the world... America is also already a nation of the world's most-literate burger-flippers (that is what most graduates do with their degrees instead of contributing to economic-productivity).

I was curious .. here is how Germany can afford it ...



http://www.latimes.com/local/education/ ... story.html

Germans don't encourage everyone to go to college either, they have a tiered education system meaning they separate kids based on academic ability.

All I'm hearing really is that it's not possible with the way things are currently run. Ok, so why not change the system then? Like SpiceWolf said, this has been done before. Why not try to emulate something that is already working? Yeah, some stuff would have to change. Probably a lot. But does that mean that there is no reason to try?

System is rigged by the Legal-System due to Corporate-Lobbyists. Perhaps you'd like to try changing the system ? Are you even aware that the system is completely "rigged" such to the extent that it actually prevents any attempts at changing it from extortionist into being an actual benefit to society ?

Did you know that a lot of us already are trying to change the system ? This is a "country" that has "judges" who threaten you with "contempt of court" charges for even attempting to mention the word "Constitution" whilst in a trial to defend yourself from their extortion (even when you have not caused any amount of suffering/injury/damage/harm to person/property). Are you aware that Judges are actually supposed to have an Oath of Office to uphold The Constitution ? Apparently The Constitution has been shredded by the court-systems LONG ago.

How would you go about changing the system ? Why don't you just go change the system ? I mean, this IS a "free" (trololololol) country after all. Seriously, what is stopping you, just go and get the system changed...

I don't claim to know everything, I just want to have a meaningful discussion. I don't know why you keep telling me, "Just do it yourself then, it's a free country!" As if that demonstrates some profound point. Of course I can't just do these things myself, I'm simply stating my ideas so I can hear others.

About the government, I'm not denying there's a lot of corruption, system rigging, lying to the people etc. going on, but I think it's at least partly because the people are ignorant and basically just allowing it to continue. Yes, some people are trying to change it, but they're the minority.

I think the way to change things is to support candidates and groups who hold your same ideas, share your ideas with others, etc. Basically be an activist. Or run for office yourself. Bernie Sanders is proof that getting support as an anti-establishment candidate is possible. He isn't going to win, of course, but someone like him could win in the future I think.

Even this method has been rigged. You need to understand that those politicians you see on television are really just puppets to the real decision-makers. Suppose I hid myself on a ship, for example, with a gang to back up my clandestine-operations. You live in Matrix-Land of said ship, decide to become elected as its Captain, but then I come along and have you temporarily kidnapped. I instruct you on what to do and say out in the public. I also tell you that you can either help me carry out my plans or I will assassinate you. Should you get bold, then maybe I will go so far as to start extending these threats to your family members, and if you are fearful, you go along with the "program" that carries out my agendas for world-destruction. You end up enacting programs into the system that forces the wealth from the rest of the population into my gang's pockets. The moment you try to do anything that might help the people, and thus put any dent into our profits, becomes the time that you seal your fate like JFK.

You seem like a genuine guy who really does want to help the world out. I really hope you continue to pursue the path of coming up with solutions to solving at least some of the many numerous problems that exist in society but, before you can do that, you need to first study the root-causes of the problems. Your current views and dispositions, how-ever, are still clouded by very "rigged" answers as to how to get things to change. The same answers that any lawyer will give you. Were you discussing this with a lawyer recently or something ? Basically, most of what you are trying to suggest is like spraying air-freshener or de-odoriser over the cat-litter (metaphorically), rather than getting rid of the source of the smell by removing the crap from it altogether. You have your youth and energy to your advantage, I have the experience and wisdom that can help guide it away from the numerous amounts of deceptions that would end up making you waste unnecessary amount of efforts into doing things that are akin to chasing your tail, but we are at a time in human-history where everybody has to take responsibility for themselves.

Regarding people trying to change things, just ask yourself, why do you think we are in the minority ? Perhaps most of us have been assassinated already for trying to rock the boat...? Perhaps it's because propaganda-campaigns of the "Repeat a lie enough, for long enough, and eventually everybody will accept it as self-evident truth..." became too successful to reverse ? Perhaps you would like to join in the anti-propaganda campaigns "Counter a repeated lie enough, with the actual truthful-information, and greater percentages of the population will stop believing in said perpetuated lie" against dishonest dis-information campaigns ? Perhaps we are a minority because of the amount of effort and honesty that it takes to be able question our own belief-systems ? Perhaps most people are unknowingly part of a cult/religion and few are willing or even able to question their own gospel ? Perhaps any attempts at trying to get people to wake up is met with extreme amounts of vitriolic-resistance ?

You are at least able to admit to not knowing nor having all of the answers, and that is something that is quite well-commended, for many people would rather cover up a lie with another lie in order to try and prove themselves "correct" instead of breaking out of an inherently dogmatic belief-system. This is why you cannot implement and create a system of monopolised force to change anything... even if the first-generations were trust-worthy with building an infrastructure that was beneficial to society, that is no guarantee that the following second or third or fourth-generations of decision-makers will not be crazy megalomaniac psycho-paths, turning things like a Family Owned and Operated Community Wal-Mart that you could once trust into a sudden or eventual Multi-Chambre Operation of Martial-Law Citizen-Kidnapping Death-Camps through a front guised as FEMA being here to help you (and train/brain-wash unsuspecting kidnapees into carrying out a civil-war to seek out, identify, and destroy all "Conspiracy Theorists" they can find to witch-hunt)...

Perhaps free college is possible in some particular college system, but not overall for all colleges in the US.
If someone is getting college education for free, they should have to upkeep good grades, and get kicked out if they don't.
That's how it is for many scholarships, students need to maintain a certain level of performance.