Could the Republican Party ever be responsible for deaths?

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21 Jun 2016, 6:36 pm

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The AR-15 is a semi-automatic weapon, and it is not intended for use on the battle field. You are think about assault rifles, which are selective fire, meaning you can choose between semi-auto and full-auto (and sometimes three round burst).

The M-16 is an assault rifle. The AR-15 is not.


Even the AR-15 wiki says it was designed for the military.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15

http://time.com/4371452/orlando-shootin ... an-family/

Just because someone greased the palms of their local politician to port them over for civilian use, doesn't mean that they belong in the hands of civilians. They were made for the battlefield.


The original AR-15 became the M-16, which is used on the battle field. The current AR-15 is not used on the battle field and is not selective fire. It is not designed to be used on the battle field. It is a semi-automatic rifle.


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21 Jun 2016, 6:58 pm

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They were made for the battlefield.


What specific attribute makes them too dangerous for civilian ownership in your mind?


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22 Jun 2016, 4:08 am

All ideologies and policies are responsible for deaths. For example, drug legalisation, undoubtedly a good thing on balance, might lead to a few people trying a drug they wouldn't have otherwise tried and dying as a result.

Is the 2nd amendment, and corresponding "defences" of it, responsible for deaths? Yes. No one can really dispute that. Is it responsible for more deaths than it prevents? Hard to say, but on balance, probably.



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22 Jun 2016, 11:25 am

Wow, a bunch of people that know nothing about guns. An AR-15 doesn't even fire a high caliber round. It fires a 5.56 round. You guys do realize, well the ones complaining don't; there are countless rifles that fire WAY bigger calibers.



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22 Jun 2016, 11:26 am

AR-15s are black and thus are "military rifles".



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22 Jun 2016, 12:14 pm

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Wow, a bunch of people that know nothing about guns. An AR-15 doesn't even fire a high caliber round. It fires a 5.56 round. You guys do realize, well the ones complaining don't; there are countless rifles that fire WAY bigger calibers.

Who the f**k gives a f*****g s**t? Caliber isn't the issue.



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22 Jun 2016, 2:06 pm

AspE wrote:
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Wow, a bunch of people that know nothing about guns. An AR-15 doesn't even fire a high caliber round. It fires a 5.56 round. You guys do realize, well the ones complaining don't; there are countless rifles that fire WAY bigger calibers.

Who the f**k gives a f*****g s**t? Caliber isn't the issue.

Real mature. Do you act this mature when debating someone in real life?



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22 Jun 2016, 2:36 pm

CommanderKeen wrote:
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Wow, a bunch of people that know nothing about guns. An AR-15 doesn't even fire a high caliber round. It fires a 5.56 round. You guys do realize, well the ones complaining don't; there are countless rifles that fire WAY bigger calibers.

Who the f**k gives a f*****g s**t? Caliber isn't the issue.

Real mature. Do you act this mature when debating someone in real life?

Yes. And gun nuts love to get into the technical weeds in a debate, as if it makes them some kind of authority on gun policy.



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22 Jun 2016, 4:55 pm

AspE wrote:
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AspE wrote:
CommanderKeen wrote:
Wow, a bunch of people that know nothing about guns. An AR-15 doesn't even fire a high caliber round. It fires a 5.56 round. You guys do realize, well the ones complaining don't; there are countless rifles that fire WAY bigger calibers.

Who the f**k gives a f*****g s**t? Caliber isn't the issue.

Real mature. Do you act this mature when debating someone in real life?

Yes. And gun nuts love to get into the technical weeds in a debate, as if it makes them some kind of authority on gun policy.

And liberals like to use swear words when using an argument, as if they're effective in a debate; while at the same time being ignorant on the issue.



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22 Jun 2016, 8:12 pm

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If you can green light a weapon like the AR-15, you green light all the activities that come from being able to get your hands on one, that includes massacres.


Actually, I do NOT condone somebody going off the deep end with an assault rifle and killing a bunch of people. The guns are not the issue here. What is at issue here is a fundemental flaw in our society where somebody would even consider such a thing in the first place. Conversely, you can ban anything that can be used by people to kill or otherwise harm other people, but until you try to find out what is causing people to consider such an option. Yes, our society is failing, but until you address the actual issues, not on the tools used to commit such atrocities, our society will continue to fail, it will cease to become a democracy, and become an authoritarian regime.

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I believe in freedom. That includes the 2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment doesn't give a person the right to own a weapon meant for the battlefield like the AR-15. Try to spin it however you want, the AR-15 is a battlefield weapon and should not be in the hands of civilians. Along the lines of freedom. I feel that it is my right as a human being not to be shot by some piece of crap who can get his hands on a weapon like the AR-15. I'm sure I'm not the only person that feels that way about it.

Our government in the U.S. is corrupt, the NRA owns many of our politicians who do their bidding and keep legislation that would slow sales of weapons or ban their use here. 85% of Americans are for sensible gun laws, that includes gun owners, but can't even get their voices heard due to the corruption in the U.S. congress.


One of the reasons why we have a Second amendment is so we can safeguard against tyranny, whether by the invasion of another nation's forces, or from within. This worked from the days of the Brown Bess and the Kentucky Rifle, to the days of the Winchester Repeater, and the 1906 Springfield to the M1, (all of these, save for the Kentuck Rifle were designed for the battlefield, and all of them have seen battlefield action) and it works the same today.

Yes our government is corrupt, but don't blame the NRA, blame the special interest groups, PAC's, and lobbying. --While the NRA does engage in this, there are other much more odious groups that you should be paying attention to. Corporations, churches, and the continued fiasco of Wall Street, (remember back around 2008-9 at the height of the recession when our new president said that there would be no 'Golden Parachute' for Wall Street?) are what actually own our politicians.

If we ban AR-15's you will not be safe from them, as you might still get shot by a piece of crap with an M-16. Only in this scenario, the piece if crap may also be wearing a National Guard uniform.

One of our country's founding fathers said, 'Those who would trade Liberty for Safety deserve neither Liberty or Safety.'


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