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22 Jun 2016, 11:46 am

I've never seen Robot Wars, but considering it was first hosted by Jeremy Clarkson and he's pretty inflammatory himself how long until he is indirectly linked to this?

Well, ultimately it's Trump's fault, of course. One can only advocate violence for so long until one has a taste of one's own medicine.



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22 Jun 2016, 11:49 am

Mootoo wrote:
I've never seen Robot Wars, but considering it was first hosted by Jeremy Clarkson and he's pretty inflammatory himself how long until he is indirectly linked to this?

Well, ultimately it's Trump's fault, of course. One can only advocate violence for so long until one has a taste of one's own medicine.


Victim blaming, what violence has Trump advocated? It is the left that has been wildly violent and promoting of mob violence, now they excuse assassination attempts. Some near 80 year old guy punches a guy twice his size being led out of an event and apparently that's evidence of Trump supporters being violent whereas hundreds of Trump supporters were attacked by violent mobs in San Jose while their cowardly police force did nothing. Push will come to shove eventually, the violence is not coming from the Trump side.



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22 Jun 2016, 12:46 pm

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Well, ultimately it's Trump's fault, of course. One can only advocate violence for so long until one has a taste of one's own medicine.


Perfect example of media influence right here.



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22 Jun 2016, 2:47 pm

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Perhaps the hysterical sensationalistic rhetoric from the media should be dialed back a bit but of course they will never will take any of the blame for the societal damage their so called 'journalism' does.

Yes, the coverage of the event (and all over "shootings") has glamourised the attacker and might well inspire copycats. They need to stop reporting facts about the lives of violent criminals, and we need to stop eating them up.


Jacoby is obviously talking about the hatred the media drummed up against Trump in the months before the assassination attempt, not about their reporting of the event itself. If you're going to try to respond to people with smartass comments, at least try figuring out what they're talking about in the first place.



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22 Jun 2016, 2:49 pm

Given some of the stuff I've read on this forum this story didn't surprise me at all. The accused probably thought Trump was going to round up all the world's austists and turn them into lampshades and soap.



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22 Jun 2016, 2:58 pm

Our media has tolerated and encouraged VIOLENT mobs to swarm Trump events, I'm young but everybody I've talked to has never seen anything like this in our lives. Calling Trump Hitler, misrepresenting the words that Trump has said, fostering an increasingly desperate and belligerent political climate from the establishment of this country most definitely promotes violence. They GLORIFY Trump protesters even tho most of them are either paid, part of extremist groups, foreign nationals, or just drunk violent youths on the street after these events. These people are the problem, they are the violent ones. Imagine if Trump supporters mobbed Hillary and her supporters everywhere she went, you guys would be screaming bloody murder but it's excused because you guys don't oppose political violence so much as you fear it from the other side. I hope the DNC protests in Philly are real fun but I imagine those protests will be kept far away in a fenced in area somewhere in New Jersey.



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22 Jun 2016, 5:05 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Our media has tolerated and encouraged VIOLENT mobs to swarm Trump events, I'm young but everybody I've talked to has never seen anything like this in our lives. Calling Trump Hitler, misrepresenting the words that Trump has said, fostering an increasingly desperate and belligerent political climate from the establishment of this country most definitely promotes violence. They GLORIFY Trump protesters even tho most of them are either paid, part of extremist groups, foreign nationals, or just drunk violent youths on the street after these events. These people are the problem, they are the violent ones. Imagine if Trump supporters mobbed Hillary and her supporters everywhere she went, you guys would be screaming bloody murder but it's excused because you guys don't oppose political violence so much as you fear it from the other side. I hope the DNC protests in Philly are real fun but I imagine those protests will be kept far away in a fenced in area somewhere in New Jersey.


You seemed to have forgotten what Obama went through from tea partiers. Virtually everything you describe here happened during Obama's campaign and his presidency.

And actually, most of the Trump supporters just plain don't like Trump. They don't all have to be part of some nefarious group.

Oh and the people who are misrepresenting Trump are his supporters. I mean how else could someone support the guy?



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22 Jun 2016, 7:30 pm

The UK is not Norway in any way, shape or form, lol. I have no personal experience but from anything I've seen on TV, UK prisons are just as nasty as US ones, and when we Brits see those other countries prisons on TV reports or online, like the one Brevik is in, we are shocked and stunned at the luxury, trust me. No such comforts are given in the UK.

Each European country is quite jarringly different from the next in all aspects of life. Another reason why we shouldn't all be forced together in an "EU".

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I'm sure the prisons in the UK are lovely, probably nicer than my first apartment. It's Norway but you should see the abode that Anders Brevik has, you might be jealous.



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22 Jun 2016, 7:41 pm

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Our media has tolerated and encouraged VIOLENT mobs to swarm Trump events, I'm young but everybody I've talked to has never seen anything like this in our lives. Calling Trump Hitler, misrepresenting the words that Trump has said, fostering an increasingly desperate and belligerent political climate from the establishment of this country most definitely promotes violence. They GLORIFY Trump protesters even tho most of them are either paid, part of extremist groups, foreign nationals, or just drunk violent youths on the street after these events. These people are the problem, they are the violent ones. Imagine if Trump supporters mobbed Hillary and her supporters everywhere she went, you guys would be screaming bloody murder but it's excused because you guys don't oppose political violence so much as you fear it from the other side. I hope the DNC protests in Philly are real fun but I imagine those protests will be kept far away in a fenced in area somewhere in New Jersey.


You seemed to have forgotten what Obama went through from tea partiers. Virtually everything you describe here happened during Obama's campaign and his presidency.

And actually, most of the Trump supporters just plain don't like Trump. They don't all have to be part of some nefarious group.

Oh and the people who are misrepresenting Trump are his supporters. I mean how else could someone support the guy?


Nonsense, you are inventing a fake a narrative. How was the Tea Party in any way violent? How were they ever an unruly spontaneous mob? How many police cars did they flip? It was a grassroots movement with mostly a bunch of old folks in tricorn hats with tea bags hanging from them upset about the bailouts and the proposed healthcare law and it wasn't even really directed primarily at Democrats but rather RINO establishment Republicans in the primaries. Obama couldn't rule like a king therefor it was violence against him? Give me a break. The Tea Party was co-opted as all grassroots movements are it seems, now it's just ordinary conservative Republicans.



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22 Jun 2016, 7:44 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Our media has tolerated and encouraged VIOLENT mobs to swarm Trump events, I'm young but everybody I've talked to has never seen anything like this in our lives.


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I am old and I have seen it and saw it a lot worse but it has been a long time.

Protesters hurl eggs at candidates

Egging was common at campaign events in '68 and '72. Campus buildings siezed, campus officials held hostage. ROTC buildings, banks burned. According to the Scranton commission report between January 1, 1969 – April 15, 1970: 8200 Bombings, attempted bombings and bomb threats attributed to "campus disturbances and student unrest". From Wikipedia discussing the aftermath of when the National Guard Killed 4 protesters Kent State
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Ray Price, Nixon's chief speechwriter from 1969–1974, recalled the Washington demonstrations saying, "The city was an armed camp. The mobs were smashing windows, slashing tires, dragging parked cars into intersections, even throwing bedsprings off overpasses into the traffic down below. This was the quote, student protest. That's not student protest, that's civil war."[ Not only was Nixon taken to Camp David for two days for his own protection, but Charles Colson (Counsel to President Nixon from 1969 to 1973) stated that the military was called up to protect the administration from the angry students; he recalled that "The 82nd Airborne was in the basement of the executive office building, so I went down just to talk to some of the guys and walk among them, and they're lying on the floor leaning on their packs and their helmets and their cartridge belts and their rifles cocked and you're thinking, 'This can't be the United States of America. This is not the greatest free democracy in the world. This is a nation at war with itself."


The recent assasinations of police officers happened then also by a group called The Black Liberation Army and recent riots do not compare to the "hot summers" of the late 1960's

A lot of good things came from the '60's, the music was great, considering the conditions, Woodstock went well but people who were not there have way too much of a rosy view of period because people who were there have a fuzzy nostalgic view of thier youth have written the narrative of that era


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22 Jun 2016, 8:22 pm

Jacoby,

I need to clarify a few things. First off I don't believe most tea partiers were violent. Most were just people pissed at the government. My dad was a tea partier. But there were plenty who did do inflammatory and violent things. There are people who were called racial slurs and spit on by tea partiers. I personally drove by a stand with protesters with a picture of Obama with a Hitler mustache. People had pictures of him with bones through his nose. People accused him of lying about his birthplace. He was called a socialist over and over. People claimed he was coming to take everyone's guns.

Still though, all those examples do not represent the majority of tea partiers views. The same is true about things like occupy. Occupy started as a grassroots movement of young activists. It spread across the country as these things tend to do. It even spread overseas. It started off very peaceful and it's main purpose was to display discontent without being violent. It kind of fizzled out in a way. And that wasn't a pretty process. It got very messy and some radical elements did cause some problems. But claiming that it was just wild mobs is just not correct. I went to the one in Chicago a few times. The first when it was really kicking off. I never saw anyone being violent. In fact most people there were incredibly nice and polite. I bet the same was true at the average tea party rally.

There is a radical left. But they're the fringes of the party that no one likes anyway. Well most of us anyway. I don't like judging entire groups by the douche bags who give them bad names. Just like I don't believe all Trump supporters are douches just because he is. :lol: :lol:



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22 Jun 2016, 8:34 pm

What violent thing did the Tea Party do? Also I'd wager almost all those posters and epithets that were part of the protests against the healthcare law came from the crazy cult followers of Lyndon LaRouche. You might remember Barney Frank getting into a conflict with some young LaRouche supporter at some town hall around the time. Offensive maybe but still not violent! LaRouche is a bizarre fringe figure for decades now, nothing to do with the Tea Party.

I don't think Occupy was a violent mob but rather more a bunch of confused pissed off young people raging at the symbol of Wall Street without any coherent belief system that were joined by a professional class political agitators. Part of the reason Occupy became so irrelevant was because they allowed these far left groups to gain influence and their total incompetence in organizing, it was kind of the birthplace of SJWs as the 'progressive stack' is a big part of what drove people away from that movement.

Look up the violence by these Trump protesters, there is no comparison or excuse for their behavior. These are the people we need to be worried about being violent, what are they going to do when Trump is elected?



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23 Jun 2016, 1:24 pm

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Would someone explain why Autism is linked a lot to these kinds of shootings? I don't get it.

-being told you're stupid all your life
-being made fun of all your life
-forced torture from the lights/noises
-being fired from jobs over and over
-PTSD from the above

I'm surprised more don't "crack".


Yes, but this guy said he wanted to kill Trump for over a year - that's an obsession. Maybe it has to do more with OCD than Autism. Not all Autistics have OCD, but they keep linking these shooters to Autism which is not making Aspies look very good. I always read that Aspies aren't violent. That isn't true?

I don't think anyone in their right mind would want to murder someone due to an obsession alone.



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23 Jun 2016, 1:39 pm

That's the problem. The persons who kill people out of obsessiveness are NOT in their right mind.



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24 Jun 2016, 6:57 pm

The media pisses me off in that way. I hate how reporters have to twist words around like that.


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