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04 Jul 2016, 5:07 pm

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It's more like everyone uses me as a scapegoat. No matter what anybody does, it's my fault.


It sounds as though you f**k-up more frequently, so you get blamed for doing so more often.


I can't control other people's sick fantasies they want to believe in. I'm not responsible for a rape that happened in somebody's dream.

You probably believe in this, do you?
https://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/06/07 ... d-fallacy/



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04 Jul 2016, 5:11 pm

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What is an SJW?


In practice, it usually refers to anyone who is concerned about issues to which the user is oblivious, indifferent, or hostile. Sometimes used to refer to feminists while maintaining the pretense that one is not a misogynistic azzhat.



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04 Jul 2016, 5:21 pm

SJW is short for Social Justice Warrior. They are generally concerned about, well, social justice.

Some people take offence because they feel like their freedom of speech is being curtailed when an SJW points out that they are saying something that they deem to be racist or sexist or homophobic. Alot of the time they are pulling someone up rightly for being unkind or antisocial, but some are nitpickers who just like an argument and they give those who are sincere a bad name.

Like in the example at the start of this thread. The fireball dragon guy in question is just a jerk who seems to like to control other people. The kind of jerk who pretends to take the moral high ground so that you can't argue against them.

That is not someone who really cares about others and not a real SJW.



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04 Jul 2016, 5:26 pm

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What is an SJW?


In practice, it usually refers to anyone who is concerned about issues to which the user is oblivious, indifferent, or hostile. Sometimes used to refer to feminists while maintaining the pretense that one is not a misogynistic azzhat.

This is an example of a SJW in straw man / weak man form. Throws labels around and doesn't attempt to address an issue through debate but emotional reasoning, labels and name calling.


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04 Jul 2016, 5:29 pm

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What is an SJW?


The guy in your avatar.



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04 Jul 2016, 5:38 pm

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It's more like everyone uses me as a scapegoat. No matter what anybody does, it's my fault.


It sounds as though you f**k-up more frequently, so you get blamed for doing so more often.


I can't control other people's sick fantasies they want to believe in. I'm not responsible for a rape that happened in somebody's dream.

You probably believe in this, do you?
https://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/06/07 ... d-fallacy/


You can't control that you make people uncomfortable? Fair enough, but that doesn't mean they're any less uncomfortable. Would you like someone who makes you uncomfortable to persistently pester you? It doesn't matter if their cause for discomfort is just or not, they don't have to put up with it anymore than you should be expected to put up with it.

You seem to be the one falling for that very fallacy. Sorry, life ain't fair and no one owes you affection, attention, friendship or a romantic relationship. I can't imagine why they're not willing to provide you with those things based on how you seem on here. :roll:


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04 Jul 2016, 5:55 pm

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You can't control that you make people uncomfortable? Fair enough, but that doesn't mean they're any less uncomfortable. Would you like someone who makes you uncomfortable to persistently pester you? It doesn't matter if their cause for discomfort is just or not, they don't have to put up with it anymore than you should be expected to put up with it.
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I don't pester anyone.



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04 Jul 2016, 5:59 pm

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This is an example of a SJW in straw man / weak man form.


Please, no name-calling. It's against forum rules.

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Throws labels around and doesn't attempt to address an issue through debate but emotional reasoning, labels and name calling.


Who am I labeling?
What is the issue I'm not addressing?
Why do you assume I'm emotional?
Who did I call a name?



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04 Jul 2016, 6:01 pm

Aaendi wrote:
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It's more like everyone uses me as a scapegoat. No matter what anybody does, it's my fault.


It sounds as though you f**k-up more frequently, so you get blamed for doing so more often.

You can't control that you make people uncomfortable? Fair enough, but that doesn't mean they're any less uncomfortable. Would you like someone who makes you uncomfortable to persistently pester you? It doesn't matter if their cause for discomfort is just or not, they don't have to put up with it anymore than you should be expected to put up with it.

I don't pester anyone.


And I'm never a pompous arrogant prick. :lol:

Sometimes you need to consider how the other person feels, and not just how you feel. If they feel pestered by you, you're pestering even if it's unintentional. That's what I was getting at when I said 'going through life half-blind in social situations'. I don't believe there's malice involved, from you or from the others, but that doesn't change the outcome.


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04 Jul 2016, 6:10 pm

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Please, no name-calling. It's against forum rules.

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Who am I labeling?
What is the issue I'm not addressing?
Why do you assume I'm emotional?
Who did I call a name?

I'm not sure why you chose to omit your own posts from the the very things you quoted (actually, I'm guessing it's because it highlights my points), but allow me to quote it again to support my line of thinking:

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What is an SJW?


In practice, it usually refers to anyone who is concerned about issues to which the user is oblivious, indifferent, or hostile. Sometimes used to refer to feminists while maintaining the pretense that one is not a misogynistic azzhat.


You have pretty much implied that usually (in other words mostly) anyone who disagrees with a SJW is a misogynistic asshat. That's both an appeal to emotion rather than trying to reason with someone who has an opposing view, and throwing a label or name around in order to achieve your point (or for better words, a sense of moral victory). By attempting to shut down a debate with labels and self-drawn conclusions, you remove yourself from the debate and allow others to do the same in an equally unfair fashion.


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04 Jul 2016, 6:18 pm

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You have pretty much implied that usually (in other words mostly) anyone who disagrees with a SJW is a misogynistic asshat.


To be fair, people who use the term SJW as an insult typically are as she described. It's not disagreeing with them that defines one in that way, it's the attitudes that cause someone to view 'social justice' as something negative that make them highly likely to be that way.

Edit: Good eye TheSpectrum.


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04 Jul 2016, 6:22 pm

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You have pretty much implied that usually (in other words mostly) anyone who disagrees with a SJW is a misogynistic asshat.


To be fair, people who use the term SJW as an insult typically are as he described. It's not disagreeing with them that defines one in that way, it's the attitudes that cause someone to view 'social justice' as something negative that make them highly likely to be that way.

I'm a person that believes in equality as it's supposed to be intended (egalitarianism) and I think SJW's are toxic. Unfortunately the OP is not very articulate or representative of others who feel the same, and I will suggest that he's a good example of the person Yippy described, as much as Yippy is a good example of the kind of person I dislike that I described. Neither is better than the other, but unfortunately both types exist and poison the well for us otherwise well meaning folks.

Also, YippySkippy has made their profile set to Female.


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04 Jul 2016, 6:27 pm

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And I'm never a pompous arrogant prick. :lol:

Sometimes you need to consider how the other person feels, and not just how you feel. If they feel pestered by you, you're pestering even if it's unintentional. That's what I was getting at when I said 'going through life half-blind in social situations'. I don't believe there's malice involved, from you or from the others, but that doesn't change the outcome.


I try to do that, some people are impossible to understand.



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04 Jul 2016, 6:35 pm

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And I'm never a pompous arrogant prick. :lol:

Sometimes you need to consider how the other person feels, and not just how you feel. If they feel pestered by you, you're pestering even if it's unintentional. That's what I was getting at when I said 'going through life half-blind in social situations'. I don't believe there's malice involved, from you or from the others, but that doesn't change the outcome.


I try to do that, some people are impossible to understand.


I don't doubt the first half, and I completely agree with the second half.


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04 Jul 2016, 6:37 pm

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I'm not sure why you chose to omit your own posts from the the very things you quoted (actually, I'm guessing it's because it highlights my points), but allow me to quote it again to support my line of thinking:


As I was responding to a post in which you quoted me, it seemed unnecessary to repeat myself. I had faith that your memory is superior to that of a goldfish.

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You have pretty much implied that usually (in other words mostly) anyone who disagrees with a SJW is a misogynistic asshat. That's both an appeal to emotion rather than trying to reason with someone who has an opposing view, and throwing a label or name around in order to achieve your point (or for better words, a sense of moral victory). By attempting to shut down a debate with labels and self-drawn conclusions, you remove yourself from the debate and allow others to do the same in an equally unfair fashion.


Again, what is this debate? Someone asked for a definition of a label, and I offered one.



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04 Jul 2016, 6:44 pm

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Yippy is a good example of the kind of person I dislike that I described. Neither is better than the other, but unfortunately both types exist and poison the well for us otherwise well meaning folks.


Wow, that's a pretty nasty thing to say. I'd like to point out that I've said nothing whatsoever negative about anyone in this thread. I wonder why you felt compelled to say it?