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Do you think he is like Hitler?
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I hope not 21%  21%  [ 15 ]
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23 Nov 2016, 9:01 am

It's plainly obvious that the majority of the nation of Islam has nothing to do with terrorism and are against it.

Just as it's plainly obvious that the majority of Ireland is not a part of the IRA. But it is a fact that the majority of the IRA are Irish and do what they do in the name of Ireland. It's also a fact that most of the IRA are professed Christians and their actions are both nationality and religion motivated. The majority of IRA are Irish Christians. And if you are going to try locating someone with the IRA, you're going to be looking for an Irish Christian. This is just simply my pragmatic way of viewing things. For the record, not that it should make any difference, I am of Irish Christian heritage.

Now how about the "alt-right". They are white Americans. What they do is motivated by them being white and American. Does that mean that all white Americans are "alt-right"? No, the alt-right also only represent a figmet of white Americans. But if you were looking for a member of the alt-right (and or KKK neo-Nazi), you'd be looking for a white American. Would anyone call me, a white American, a bigot for pointing out this fact? Would I be called a racist for referring to the alt-right as white supremacists?



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23 Nov 2016, 9:15 am

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Firstly, I was responding to Ezra's bigoted remarks, not Trump's.


Once again I am offended by your incorrect accusations and attacking me on a personal level - which is not something a moderator should be doing. And I have reported it.

I didn't attack you on a personal level. I said that you said things which were bigoted. That attacks what you said, and not you personally. I didn't say "Ezra is a bigot".

Checking back through the remarks in question, you didn't actually say anything bigoted, you just provided a (flawed) justification for bigotry. I apologise for saying that you had said something bigoted.

So to correct my previous remarks: I was responding to Ezra's hypothetical justification for bigotry, not to anything Trump had actually said.


Usually only someone who is a bigot makes bigoted remarks. Further more, saying something like that could lead me being labeled as a bigot. If you'll notice I post with my real name. I think you should have just apologized.



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23 Nov 2016, 10:42 am

Trump doesn't confuse the perpetrator of whatever issue with a specific demographic, leftist propagandists intentionally characterize it that to push their own ideological ends with the goal being racial division. Divide and conquer is the oldest strategy in the book. Most of the opposition to combating illegal immigration comes from big business who want to flood the labor market so wages are forever depressed, they run the media and control the narrative but those people that actually know Mexicans and other Hispanics know that a significant segment of them are some of the most ardently opposed people to illegal immigration because most of them did it the right way and it is their communities that are disproportionately effected. They try to paint any policy relating to immigration as racist even tho that is the policy on most of this planet, Mexico has extremely harsh laws towards illegal immigration and even Canada has tougher laws than we do. Oh so racist Canada also has voter IDs!

It's good that you are picking up that their are entire strains of Islam that are poisoned with jihadist ideology, the Salafists or Wahabbis dominate the Muslim world as the Saudis operate at the center of it. The Saudis are the biggest state sponsors of terrorism in the world, almost all the terrorist filth on this planet can be tied back to the Saudis and their promotion of their sick anti-Western extremist worldview. This is not an insignificant group of people, they are using their vast oil wealth to spread this ideology across the globe thru madrassas and mosques. This is what is meant by Political Islam and as long as it is allowed to hide behind the vestige of a religion the more and more it will spread.



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23 Nov 2016, 11:04 am

If people make Trump into the "next Hitler," it would make him some sort of martyr.

We don't want that.

Trump is more likely the "next Reagan," without the communications skills.



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23 Nov 2016, 11:09 am

It's not inadvertent, the useful idiots think their self-righteousness actually helps their cause when in reality all it contributes to is that tactics of divide and conquer. The only way the left can win in the US is by splitting people into identity groups and pitting them against each other. Trump believes in one America and he believes putting America first that applies to every hyphenated grouping that the Democrats are determined the set in stone. Cultural Marxism opposes any sort of national unity, it is racism and hatred in a different form.



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23 Nov 2016, 11:10 am

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Trump doesn't confuse the perpetrator of whatever issue with a specific demographic, leftist propagandists intentionally characterize it that to push their own ideological ends with the goal being racial division. Divide and conquer is the oldest strategy in the book. Most of the opposition to combating illegal immigration comes from big business who want to flood the labor market so wages are forever depressed, they run the media and control the narrative but those people that actually know Mexicans and other Hispanics know that a significant segment of them are some of the most ardently opposed people to illegal immigration because most of them did it the right way and it is their communities that are disproportionately effected. They try to paint any policy relating to immigration as racist even tho that is the policy on most of this planet, Mexico has extremely harsh laws towards illegal immigration and even Canada has tougher laws than we do. Oh so racist Canada also has voter IDs!

It's good that you are picking up that their are entire strains of Islam that are poisoned with jihadist ideology, the Salafists or Wahabbis dominate the Muslim world as the Saudis operate at the center of it. The Saudis are the biggest state sponsors of terrorism in the world, almost all the terrorist filth on this planet can be tied back to the Saudis and their promotion of their sick anti-Western extremist worldview. This is not an insignificant group of people, they are using their vast oil wealth to spread this ideology across the globe thru madrassas and mosques. This is what is meant by Political Islam and as long as it is allowed to hide behind the vestige of a religion the more and more it will spread.


But most Muslims still are not terrorists. In fact, most Syrians, Muslim, Christian, or otherwise, are the victims of terrorist fanatics.


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23 Nov 2016, 11:23 am

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Trump doesn't confuse the perpetrator of whatever issue with a specific demographic, leftist propagandists intentionally characterize it that to push their own ideological ends with the goal being racial division. Divide and conquer is the oldest strategy in the book. Most of the opposition to combating illegal immigration comes from big business who want to flood the labor market so wages are forever depressed, they run the media and control the narrative but those people that actually know Mexicans and other Hispanics know that a significant segment of them are some of the most ardently opposed people to illegal immigration because most of them did it the right way and it is their communities that are disproportionately effected. They try to paint any policy relating to immigration as racist even tho that is the policy on most of this planet, Mexico has extremely harsh laws towards illegal immigration and even Canada has tougher laws than we do. Oh so racist Canada also has voter IDs!

It's good that you are picking up that their are entire strains of Islam that are poisoned with jihadist ideology, the Salafists or Wahabbis dominate the Muslim world as the Saudis operate at the center of it. The Saudis are the biggest state sponsors of terrorism in the world, almost all the terrorist filth on this planet can be tied back to the Saudis and their promotion of their sick anti-Western extremist worldview. This is not an insignificant group of people, they are using their vast oil wealth to spread this ideology across the globe thru madrassas and mosques. This is what is meant by Political Islam and as long as it is allowed to hide behind the vestige of a religion the more and more it will spread.


But most Muslims still are not terrorists. In fact, most Syrians, Muslim, Christian, or otherwise, are the victims of terrorist fanatics.


I would agree for the most part but the reality is that the threat comes from more than just the people that pick up a gun or blow themselves up, it is the ideology behind it and we have to guard ourselves against this extremism. Those with passive extremist beliefs and sympathies toward fundamentalist Islam are a threat as well. Think of it this way, it wasn't enough for the allies to simply defeat Germany in WWII but we rather we needed to defeat Nazism at its very root. What the Middle East needs is deislamification like the Germans need denazification if we are ever to win this War on Terror because I think people are sorely mistaken if they think we are actually winning. Islamists are far more powerful today than they were 15 years ago, they have to be stopped for Western Civilization itself is at stake.



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23 Nov 2016, 12:38 pm

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But most Muslims still are not terrorists. In fact, most Syrians, Muslim, Christian, or otherwise, are the victims of terrorist fanatics.


Please have a look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_ ... His_own.22


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23 Nov 2016, 1:41 pm

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Based on several interviews I watched of Trump going back many years over a course of time to the 80's, It seems clear that he really just wants America to be a better place to live and work for the working class. I don't think his wanting to curtail massive illegal immigration and terrorism has to do with racism. It's not his fault that the vast majority of illegal immigrants and terrorists, happen to belong to certain demographics.

Assuming for a second that the bolded section is true, it absolutely is Trump's fault if he confuses perpetrators of an issue with a demographic group.

If you want to tackle terrorism, then tackle terrorism, not Islam. If you want to tackle crime, then tackle crime, not blackness. If you want to tackle illegal immigration, then tackle illegal immigration, not Mexicans.


So you're saying that somehow the crime is supposed to be tackled by leaving the perpetrators out of it? How does that work?

Hard cold fact; the majority of illegal immigration comes out of Mexico. But no no you can't say that because it's racist! Hard cold fact; the majority of jihad terrorism comes out of the nation of Islam. But no no you can't say that, it's Islamaphobic!
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Wow, that's exactly what' he's proposed for all of that. Good thing you and Trump are on the same page.


Of course he did. The notion that he's out to deport all Mexicans is ridiculous. He said he's out to curtail illegal immigration (like every other nation does - including Mexico). That he's out to deport or arrest all Muslims is ridiculous. He's out to curtail terrorists.



There have been reports about autistic kids being violent and the fact one of them killed their mother in 2009 during a meltdown and my mom used to get attacked by an autistic student so she had to take self defense courses at her work so she could defend herself against him safely and so it also isn't harming him either. Should all the autistic people be rounded up and locked up in a mental hospital so they can never hurt anyone?


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23 Nov 2016, 2:06 pm

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It's plainly obvious that the majority of the nation of Islam has nothing to do with terrorism and are against it.

Just as it's plainly obvious that the majority of Ireland is not a part of the IRA. But it is a fact that the majority of the IRA are Irish and do what they do in the name of Ireland. It's also a fact that most of the IRA are professed Christians and their actions are both nationality and religion motivated. The majority of IRA are Irish Christians. And if you are going to try locating someone with the IRA, you're going to be looking for an Irish Christian. This is just simply my pragmatic way of viewing things. For the record, not that it should make any difference, I am of Irish Christian heritage.

This is factually wrong but that's not important.

It would be wrong, after a terrorist attack by the IRA, to start treating people differently just because they are Irish.

It might be justified to start going after people who fit the description of the bomber ("short ginger man in his late 20s"), but yes, it would be bigoted to hold anti-Irish views because of the IRA.

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Now how about the "alt-right". They are white Americans. What they do is motivated by them being white and American. Does that mean that all white Americans are "alt-right"? No, the alt-right also only represent a figmet of white Americans. But if you were looking for a member of the alt-right (and or KKK neo-Nazi), you'd be looking for a white American. Would anyone call me, a white American, a bigot for pointing out this fact? Would I be called a racist for referring to the alt-right as white supremacists?

Again, I don't think this is factually accurate. For example, Raheem Kassam is neither American nor white.

"White supremacist" is not usually a racial term, so it's usually not racist to call someone a white supremacist unless you're only doing it because they are white.

And again, it is bigoted to say that all white Americans are inherently alt-right or KKK members or neo-Nazis, to deny services to white people in case they are Nazis, or such things.



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23 Nov 2016, 4:21 pm

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Hard cold fact; the majority of illegal immigration comes out of Mexico. But no no you can't say that because it's racist! Hard cold fact; the majority of jihad terrorism comes out of the nation of Islam. But no no you can't say that, it's Islamaphobic!

It depends on your reason for making such statements. These statements may be facts, but repeating them over and over again in order to inflame animosity towards those groups as a whole is a way of inciting hatred. It's like repeating "Bernie Madoff is a Jew" over and over again to incite hatred of Jewish people.

The majority of US citizens of Mexican origin migrated legally. The majority of Muslims are not terrorists. The majority of Jews are not con artists.

There's at least 6million illegal Mexicans in the us that we know of. How many illegals tell people their illegal? I wouldn't if I was here illegally.



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23 Nov 2016, 4:27 pm

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I think he is largely just a muppet who says what he wants because he is out of touch. I am not expecting him to achieve much whilst in office. He'll mess things up a bit, but I think he will be prevented from doing any real damage.

I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt though. Maybe a non-career politician is exactly what we need to shake things up a bit.

Half the country found him to be very in touch with them. Hopefully he'll be the end to all the anti gun peoples dreams. Hopefully he'll end all importation bans. Let the Russian and Chinese guns and ammo flow in by the billions. I want a type 97, Chinese ak, and a Russian ak12 in 7.62x39. Its quite stupid we buy 90% of our stuff from china but don't let them sell us guns and cheap ammo cause of a attempted sanction in the 90s. If they were so bad wh didn't we ban all imports instead we made them a 1st world power to rival us. I think the ban was just another attack on gun owners by the clontions and had nothing to do with china. Likewise with Russian ban why not ban all Russian imports? Why just limited to Russia arms. It was about attacking gun owners. Russia provided the source of cheap ammo and what's use of guns without ammo. Obama was just Clinton 2.0



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23 Nov 2016, 4:37 pm

League_Girl wrote:
EzraS wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Based on several interviews I watched of Trump going back many years over a course of time to the 80's, It seems clear that he really just wants America to be a better place to live and work for the working class. I don't think his wanting to curtail massive illegal immigration and terrorism has to do with racism. It's not his fault that the vast majority of illegal immigrants and terrorists, happen to belong to certain demographics.

Assuming for a second that the bolded section is true, it absolutely is Trump's fault if he confuses perpetrators of an issue with a demographic group.

If you want to tackle terrorism, then tackle terrorism, not Islam. If you want to tackle crime, then tackle crime, not blackness. If you want to tackle illegal immigration, then tackle illegal immigration, not Mexicans.


So you're saying that somehow the crime is supposed to be tackled by leaving the perpetrators out of it? How does that work?

Hard cold fact; the majority of illegal immigration comes out of Mexico. But no no you can't say that because it's racist! Hard cold fact; the majority of jihad terrorism comes out of the nation of Islam. But no no you can't say that, it's Islamaphobic!
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Wow, that's exactly what' he's proposed for all of that. Good thing you and Trump are on the same page.


Of course he did. The notion that he's out to deport all Mexicans is ridiculous. He said he's out to curtail illegal immigration (like every other nation does - including Mexico). That he's out to deport or arrest all Muslims is ridiculous. He's out to curtail terrorists.



There have been reports about autistic kids being violent and the fact one of them killed their mother in 2009 during a meltdown and my mom used to get attacked by an autistic student so she had to take self defense courses at her work so she could defend herself against him safely and so it also isn't harming him either. Should all the autistic people be rounded up and locked up in a mental hospital so they can never hurt anyone?


Wtf is so wrong with having a temporary ban on muslims coming from known country's to harbor terrorist until we can vet the properly so we don't let terrorist bent on killing Americans in?

There's a reason the middle eastern nations won't even let them in. And look at the violent mess in European nations who took them in.

We are required to let people come here. There's no human right to free movement to other nations.



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23 Nov 2016, 4:53 pm

sly279 wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
EzraS wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Based on several interviews I watched of Trump going back many years over a course of time to the 80's, It seems clear that he really just wants America to be a better place to live and work for the working class. I don't think his wanting to curtail massive illegal immigration and terrorism has to do with racism. It's not his fault that the vast majority of illegal immigrants and terrorists, happen to belong to certain demographics.

Assuming for a second that the bolded section is true, it absolutely is Trump's fault if he confuses perpetrators of an issue with a demographic group.

If you want to tackle terrorism, then tackle terrorism, not Islam. If you want to tackle crime, then tackle crime, not blackness. If you want to tackle illegal immigration, then tackle illegal immigration, not Mexicans.


So you're saying that somehow the crime is supposed to be tackled by leaving the perpetrators out of it? How does that work?

Hard cold fact; the majority of illegal immigration comes out of Mexico. But no no you can't say that because it's racist! Hard cold fact; the majority of jihad terrorism comes out of the nation of Islam. But no no you can't say that, it's Islamaphobic!
Bataar wrote:

Wow, that's exactly what' he's proposed for all of that. Good thing you and Trump are on the same page.


Of course he did. The notion that he's out to deport all Mexicans is ridiculous. He said he's out to curtail illegal immigration (like every other nation does - including Mexico). That he's out to deport or arrest all Muslims is ridiculous. He's out to curtail terrorists.



There have been reports about autistic kids being violent and the fact one of them killed their mother in 2009 during a meltdown and my mom used to get attacked by an autistic student so she had to take self defense courses at her work so she could defend herself against him safely and so it also isn't harming him either. Should all the autistic people be rounded up and locked up in a mental hospital so they can never hurt anyone?


Wtf is so wrong with having a temporary ban on muslims coming from known country's to harbor terrorist until we can vet the properly so we don't let terrorist bent on killing Americans in?

There's a reason the middle eastern nations won't even let them in. And look at the violent mess in European nations who took them in.

We are required to let people come here. There's no human right to free movement to other nations.



It's bigotry. Lumping everyone into a group because some of them have done terrorism is bigotry. That is like rounding up all the blacks or the autistics or everyone with a mental illness because of violence. We gotta keep everyone safe you know so let's round up everyone to keep it from happening. But also great to see how even autistic people are capable of bigotry too. It's all about fear. People fear autism for the same reason due to stories about them being violent. Some people fear blacks because they believe they will just be violent, people fear people with mental illnesses for the same reason. People are fearing Muslims.


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23 Nov 2016, 5:13 pm

I disagree. It's saying Hey you all have known terrorist in your nation which just happens to be Muslim , until we can properly vet people won't won't be allowing people from your nation.
Just as we wouldn't allowed Germans to come during ww2. They tended to want to commit sabotage. Look we are at war with Islamic terrorist whether you want to admit it or not. They are muslims and support or just not opposed by the rest of muslims. We can't just let them come here and blow us up. So devise a way to vet them so terrorist like the one in California doesn't get in. Until then don't let people from those nations who have a 50/50 chance of being a terrorist cause we can't vet them and have no freaking clue who they are come in. That's not bigot. Muslim from England fine, from Russia fine, Chinese Muslim fine. If they from Syria or Iraq, Iran, Lybia etc no not until we can vet them. Do you want to be killed do you want others to be killed all in name of open border stupidity. We need to crack down hard on terroism. Big start is stopping Islamic terrorist from coming here and doing attacks or recruiting Americans to do it for them. That woman should never have been let in. But we can't vet people. If your faucet is broken you'd shut it off til you can fix it. You don't just leave it running flowing water all over your floor. The immigration system is broken. We can't freaking vet people so we should just let thousands of terrorist in we need to fix it so we can vet people. That's not bigot or racism that's being logical.



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23 Nov 2016, 5:37 pm

I believe Pence is, whereas Trump is a modern day Goering.

I cannot respect or trust anyone who voted for them. Denying climate change, denying evolution, thinking vaccines cause autism, blatant homophobia, sexism, racism and welcoming support from others who share the same mind set (the alt right, also known as neo-nazis), is an instant reason for me to dislike someone and anyone who supports them.