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27 Nov 2016, 1:42 am

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The Miami Cuban population is probably the absolutely most biased group when it comes to Castro. If they liked Castro, they wouldn't have moved to Miami.


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27 Nov 2016, 3:36 am

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The Miami Cuban population is probably the absolutely most biased group when it comes to Castro. If they liked Castro, they wouldn't have moved to Miami.


Yet they had direct experience with Castro, experience I'm betting you don't; why should your opinion of the man carry any weight versus that of these Miami Cubans? Do you think you are better informed about him than these people?


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27 Nov 2016, 4:54 am

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The Miami Cuban population is probably the absolutely most biased group when it comes to Castro. If they liked Castro, they wouldn't have moved to Miami.


Yet they had direct experience with Castro, experience I'm betting you don't; why should your opinion of the man carry any weight versus that of these Miami Cubans? Do you think you are better informed about him than these people?


They may be more informed than the average person, but they are also more biased. Biased doesn't mean ignorant, it means skewed. And what about all the Cubans who live in Cuba and support Castro?


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27 Nov 2016, 10:44 am

I could understand the Chavez apologists but not the Castro apologists. He was brutal. The #TrudeauEulogies have it right on the head (the best one I saw was "Hitler was an artist and animal rights defender whose death raises the need for suicide awareness").

My qualm with the title is that Hell probably doesn't exist, and if it does then it is timeless and eternal - Castro has always been there.



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27 Nov 2016, 10:53 am

What of them? When you live in a dictatorship then dissent typically isn't allowed. I would say Cubans are a good people to ask about the truth about Castro, far better than some Hollywood pinko or campus communist. Soon enough his brother will join him and Cuba will finally be free.



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27 Nov 2016, 10:56 am

It's a great place for him after he's caused 90 years of misery.


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27 Nov 2016, 11:18 am

Good Riddance. The marginal condition of the world has improved slightly with the death of Fidel Castro.


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27 Nov 2016, 11:20 am

Fidel Castro’s firing squads in Cuba

Fidel Castro is often portrayed as the “benevolent” dictator of Cuba, such portrayals are unarguably wrong. The evidence of his bloodthirsty and murderous nature is unequivocal and available for anyone who wants to know the truth. Unfortunately such evidence is rarely discussed by the news media and at schools. There’s perhaps no more grizzly atrocity committed by Fidel Castro than the firing squads which he implemented. Beginning as a rebel, before he would eventually take power in Cuba, Fidel Castro used firing squad executions to enforce discipline, punish followers deemed disloyal or intimidate potential opposition. At the beginning of the Castro regime there was a reign of terror typical of revolutions in which the firing squad was used prominently but the executions continued for decades.

The Cuba Archive which documents deaths and disappearances resulting from Fidel Castro’s Cuban revolution has documented 3,615 firing squad executions conducted by the Cuban state since Castro took over on January 1, 1959.

Opponents of the death penalty should be horrified at the amount of death Fidel Castro and his accomplices have directly caused. It’s important to note that in Revolutionary Cuba there are none of the due process guarantees found in a western-style democracy. Most of Castro’s firing squad victims were afforded only a perfunctory show trial the outcome of which was predetermined, some didn’t even get that. Ernesto “Ché” Guevara is a popular culture icon, his face adorns posters and t-shirts around the globe. Most people don’t realize that he was Fidel Castro’s chief enforcer and had a personal hand in at least 100 firing squad executions, often delivering the coup de grace personally. In response to questions about Castro’s firing squads Guevara once said, “To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary. These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution. And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate.”


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ADDED: Read the above, and then read again this disgraceful statement from Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau:

“It is with deep sorrow that I learned today of the death of Cuba’s longest serving President.

“Fidel Castro was a larger than life leader who served his people for almost half a century. A legendary revolutionary and orator, Mr. Castro made significant improvements to the education and healthcare of his island nation.

“While a controversial figure, both Mr. Castro’s supporters and detractors recognized his tremendous dedication and love for the Cuban people who had a deep and lasting affection for “el Comandante”.


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27 Nov 2016, 12:29 pm

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...and Pinochet, and Galtieri, and Chavez, and Batista, and Hitler, and Mussolini, and...
If you're going to include Pinochet in that list, then make some space for Salvador Allende Gossens as well. It is an interesting thought experiment to study Chilean history of that era, then imagine what modern-day Chile would be like had Allende Gossens not been overthrown.


I agree, but then the exact same argument also applies re Castro and Batista.

Costa e Silva deserves a place on the list too.



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27 Nov 2016, 4:00 pm

An inside look at conditions under the Castros in 2014, from the great investigative reporter Michael Totten:

Outside its small tourist sector, the rest of [Havana] looks as though it suffered a catastrophe on the scale of Hurricane Katrina or the Indonesian tsunami. Roofs have collapsed. Walls are splitting apart. Window glass is missing. Paint has long vanished. It’s eerily dark at night, almost entirely free of automobile traffic. I walked for miles through an enormous swath of destruction without seeing a single tourist. Most foreigners don’t know that this other Havana exists, though it makes up most of the city—tourist buses avoid it, as do taxis arriving from the airport. It is filled with people struggling to eke out a life in the ruins.

Marxists have ruled Cuba for more than a half-century now. Fidel Castro, Argentine guerrilla Che Guevara, and their 26th of July Movement forced Fulgencio Batista from power in 1959 and replaced his standard-issue authoritarian regime with a Communist one. The revolutionaries promised liberal democracy, but Castro secured absolute power and flattened the country with a Marxist-Leninist battering ram. The objectives were total equality and the abolition of money; the methods were total surveillance and political prisons. The state slogan, then and now, is “socialism or death.”

Cuba was one of the world’s richest countries before Castro destroyed it—and the wealth wasn’t just in the hands of a tiny elite. “Contrary to the myth spread by the revolution,” wrote Alfred Cuzan, a professor of political science at the University of West Florida, “Cuba’s wealth before 1959 was not the purview of a privileged few. . . . Cuban society was as much of a middle-class society as Argentina and Chile.” In 1958, Cuba had a higher per-capita income than much of Europe....

In the United States, we have a minimum wage; Cuba has a maximum wage—$20 a month for almost every job in the country. (Professionals such as doctors and lawyers can make a whopping $10 extra a month.) Sure, Cubans get “free” health care and education, but as Cuban exile and Yale historian Carlos Eire says, “All slave owners need to keep their slaves healthy and ensure that they have the skills to perform their tasks.” ...

The maximum wage is just the beginning. Not only are most Cubans not allowed to have money; they’re hardly allowed to have things. The police expend extraordinary manpower ensuring that everyone required to live miserably at the bottom actually does live miserably at the bottom. Dissident blogger and author Yoani Sánchez describes the harassment sarcastically in her book Havana Real: “Buses are stopped in the middle of the street and bags inspected to see if we are carrying some cheese, a lobster, or some dangerous shrimp hidden among our personal belongings.” Perhaps the saddest symptom of Cuba’s state-enforced poverty is the prostitution epidemic—a problem the government officially denies and even forbids foreign journalists based in Havana to mention. Some Cuban prostitutes are professionals, but many are average women—wives, girlfriends, sisters, mothers—who solicit johns once or twice a year for a little extra money to make ends meet.


http://www.city-journal.org/html/last-c ... 13649.html

And again, read the above, and then read again this disgraceful statement from Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau:

“It is with deep sorrow that I learned today of the death of Cuba’s longest serving President.

“Fidel Castro was a larger than life leader who served his people for almost half a century. A legendary revolutionary and orator, Mr. Castro made significant improvements to the education and healthcare of his island nation.

“While a controversial figure, both Mr. Castro’s supporters and detractors recognized his tremendous dedication and love for the Cuban people who had a deep and lasting affection for “el Comandante”.


Trudeau owes the Cuban victims of Communism an apology.


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27 Nov 2016, 7:06 pm

Castro's last "victim": the disgraceful Prime Minister of Canada:

Trudeau’s turn from cool to laughing stock

Terry Glavin on how Justin Trudeau’s lament for the dictator Fidel Castro confirmed every lampoon of the prime minister’s foreign-policy vacuity


It was bound to happen sooner or later.

Ever since his election as Canada’s prime minister last October, Justin Trudeau has revelled in global tributes, raves and swoons. He’s the Disney prince with the trippy dance moves, the groovy Haida tattoo and the gender-balanced cabinet. He’s the last best hope for globalization, the star attraction at the Pride Parades, the hero of the Paris Climate Summit, the guy everyone wants a selfie with.

Trudeau made himself synonymous with Canada. He made Canada cool again. It was fun while it lasted.

By the early hours of Saturday morning, Havana time, Trudeau was an international laughing stock. Canada’s “brand,” so carefully constructed in Vogue photo essays and Economist magazine cover features, seemed to suddenly implode into a bonspiel of the vanities, with humiliating headlines streaming from the Washington Post to the Guardian, and from Huffington Post to USA Today.


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27 Nov 2016, 8:39 pm

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I could understand the Chavez apologists but not the Castro apologists. He was brutal. The #TrudeauEulogies have it right on the head (the best one I saw was "Hitler was an artist and animal rights defender whose death raises the need for suicide awareness").

My qualm with the title is that Hell probably doesn't exist, and if it does then it is timeless and eternal - Castro has always been there.


So what he was brutal. Anybody else in his position would be, as history has shown. When you're the ruler of poor country, you HAVE to be brutal, otherwise the country will fall into anarchy. The main problem is most people think don't understand political theory of all, and fall for the idea of the rulers actions being entirely a reflection of the character of ruler because it's easier for them to understand evil in people then evil in nature, particularly social nature. Most of the world was under an oppressive dictator within the last 50 years, Americans don't realize how spoiled they are (and now we have Trump as a direct result of American idiocy). I've lived around the world, and all of those countries besides the US have a history of oppressive regimes. You get used to it. Most of Cuba's problems are due to the American embargo, NOT Castro. And if you blame the embargo on Castro, the whole reason Castro even got into power was because America was already oppressing Cuba out of capitalist interests.

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What of them? When you live in a dictatorship then dissent typically isn't allowed. I would say Cubans are a good people to ask about the truth about Castro, far better than some Hollywood pinko or campus communist. Soon enough his brother will join him and Cuba will finally be free.


The point is the sample of Cubans who left Cuba is biased because it's the portion of Cubans who didn't like Castro. Some of those in Cuba probably don't like him, but many legitimately do. I have a few close friends who have lived in Cuba , and they are completely free to dissent as they are foreigners.


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27 Nov 2016, 9:44 pm

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Castro's last "victim": the disgraceful Prime Minister of Canada:

Trudeau’s turn from cool to laughing stock

Terry Glavin on how Justin Trudeau’s lament for the dictator Fidel Castro confirmed every lampoon of the prime minister’s foreign-policy vacuity


It was bound to happen sooner or later.

Ever since his election as Canada’s prime minister last October, Justin Trudeau has revelled in global tributes, raves and swoons. He’s the Disney prince with the trippy dance moves, the groovy Haida tattoo and the gender-balanced cabinet. He’s the last best hope for globalization, the star attraction at the Pride Parades, the hero of the Paris Climate Summit, the guy everyone wants a selfie with.

Trudeau made himself synonymous with Canada. He made Canada cool again. It was fun while it lasted.

By the early hours of Saturday morning, Havana time, Trudeau was an international laughing stock. Canada’s “brand,” so carefully constructed in Vogue photo essays and Economist magazine cover features, seemed to suddenly implode into a bonspiel of the vanities, with humiliating headlines streaming from the Washington Post to the Guardian, and from Huffington Post to USA Today.


http://www.macleans.ca/news/trudeaus-tu ... ing-stock/


Then again, the source of this article hardly seems mainstream or unbiased.


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27 Nov 2016, 9:50 pm

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They may be more informed than the average person, but they are also more biased. Biased doesn't mean ignorant, it means skewed. And what about all the Cubans who live in Cuba and support Castro?


Forgive me if I'm more deferential to the opinions of people who've actually been oppressed by Castro to the point where they fled their homeland over those of young people who've read Wikipedia articles and thought "eh, that Castro guy doesn't sound so bad, no matter what those whiners in Miami say".


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28 Nov 2016, 4:22 am

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They may be more informed than the average person, but they are also more biased. Biased doesn't mean ignorant, it means skewed. And what about all the Cubans who live in Cuba and support Castro?


Forgive me if I'm more deferential to the opinions of people who've actually been oppressed by Castro to the point where they fled their homeland over those of young people who've read Wikipedia articles and thought "eh, that Castro guy doesn't sound so bad, no matter what those whiners in Miami say".


Young people who read wikipedia articles. Really? Did you read the rest of what I wrote? I made it quite clear I was referring to the opinions of people who actually lived in Cuba under Castro. It's not my fault if the only perspective you look at are that of Americans.


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