Is the Bohemian Grove Owl Molech?

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This is worse than blind man's bluff!




Lets just take it from the top. Start the conversation over again.

Okay: this is what you meant to ask: "Is the owl THE lesser known American bird symbol then the Bald Eagle?".

That is STILL an ambiguously worded question. By "American bird symbol" do you mean "is the bird American?" , or do you mean "is the symbol American?". Lions are not native to England. But lions are used as a symbol by Brits for their country of Britain..

And if the latter ...that the symbol is American (and not that the bird is necessarily American) then what do you mean by "American symbol"?

Are you asking "is the owl used as a symbol FOR America?" Or are you asking "is the owl used IN America as a symbol for something else?" Could mean either thing.

And your curve balls didnt end there.

But to sum it up:

On one hand:

The bald eagle IS used in America, by Americans (and by everyone else on the planet) as a symbol for America, and the Founding Father choose it as a symbol partially because the bald eagle IS also native to -and is- largely peculiar to-North America.

That much you apparently understand, and we are both on the same page about it.

In contrast:

the owl IS used in America as a symbol, but NOT as a symbol FOR America (its not and never was a patriotic symbol). Owls are found in the USA, but they are not peculiar to the USA. And though Americans USE the owl as a symbol (for education and wisdom and all that), that cultural symbolism is also NOT pecular to the USA. Its is largely universal to the whole Western World. Neither the bird, nor the symbolic use of the bird in America are distinctively American.

Are we still on the same page?

Finally...about it being "lesser known":

Every grade school kid in Europe, and in the American continents, as heard the phrase "the wise old owl". So obviously the use of the owl as a symbol for wisdom is not "lesser known" than anything. Its about as well known a meme as it gets. So the owl symbolism is at least as "well known", if not more well known, than the symbolism of the bald eagle to stand for a particular nation.

Are we still on the same page?

So in conclusion: if you were asking about whether owls and bald eagle jockey for rank to stand for the same thing- the answer is NO! The two birds represent two very different and non competing and noncomparable things despite the fact that both symbolic uses of both birds are "well known".

Comprende?

Some say this little doodle on the one dollar bill is supposed to be an owl. Others say it's supposed to be a spider.

Maybe.

Except on close inspection what it really looks like is just a continuation of the cross hatching pattern on the bill. The opposite corner of the design has that leaf in the equivalent place covering up the spot were the "owl" would be formed by the cross hatching.

There's some thought that the Jersey Devil sightings might have been misidentified owls in the half-dark.

You might have heard of the "Moth Man".

A human sized and shaped creature with a flat face and horns on its head - and a five or six foot wingspan, that would appear in the night terrorizing whole communities in western Pennsylvania. The phenomenon inspired the major motion picture "The Moth Man Prophecies" starring Richard Gere. The hysteria traced back to the first sighting by a pair of teens necking in a car parked in the night next to the ruins of abandoned munitions factory outside of some small Pennsylvania town. Their description of "Moth Man" is virtually identical to that of a great horned owl ( theyre big birds with big almost eagle sized wingspans). And great horned owls love to perch in abandoned buildings.

Yes, I've heard that theory before. There's also a theory stating that Mothman was a misidentified Canadian goose, with red coloring on either side of it's breast, which might have been mistaken for eyes in the half-light.

But how could a great horned owl or a goose make phone calls to Richard Gere?

They're very resourceful; they'll find a way.

I said, "So the bald eagle is the well known bird symbol of America and the owl is the lesser known bird symbol [of America]". That was not a question, but rather a simple offhand statement of personal perception.

The other day I could have sworn I saw a seagull with a smart phone.

Why did you expend verbiage to write this?

Whether it was an observation, or whether it was question, either way, it makes no difference to how another person would respond to your statement.

Your statement showed a total lack of understanding because its factually wrong on two counts demanding correction of you by others on both of those two counts. Those two counts being (1)you thought that we were saying that the owl is a "bird symbol of America" which it is not (and no one said it was), and (b) that the owl as a symbol is lesser known than the bald eagle is as a symbol (when in fact the owl is at least as well known).

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Ever see "The Owl and the Pussycat?"

The movie starring Barbara Streisand? Dont think that I have actually seen it all of the way through.

It came out when I was a pre teen kid. I knew the "Owl and the p**** Cat" as a nursery rhyme. So I demanded to know what the new movie of the same name was about that the grownups were all talking about. Mom heaved a sigh, and told me that it was "about a guy who is a lot like an owl, who meets a girl who is....um.... a lot like a pussycat" thus deftly sidestepped having to explain to me that Streisand's character was a prostitute. I still get a good laugh out of it when I am reminded of it even now. Thanks.

Streisand did wear a rather memorable outfit in it at one point - that thing with the pink hand shaped things pushing up on her bust.

On the topic, this was a neat side-article in Alan Moore's Watchmen comic

Blood from the Shoulder of Pallas:
http://coldclaritymountain.blogspot.com ... en_15.html

So what you're saying is the bald eagle and owl are interchangeable American symbols unless the owl is with the pussycat and or a goose is making a phone call to Richard Gere. But what if it's a Canadian Goose?

No but it was read to me lots of times. It's probably still in my bookshelf somewhere.