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The Eloi taste more like pork than chicken.

Yanis makes some interesting points here and I think he makes the point here as well that I was making earlier, ie. that the rich would essentially be prisoners in a dystopia if all the jobs were gone and what they were left with was guarded heavily policed compounds. Try to think about what their stores would look like, what they could buy, what choices they'd have, what resorts they could visit, and what kind of air they could breath considering a scenario where the rest of humanity is at war for survival. The concept of nuclear fallout, both metaphorical and possibly literal, comes to mind here in that if Chernobyl happens in your neighborhood but you've got a nice high-walled gated community that radiation is indifferent to the walls, armed guards, your social status, or how much wealth you possess. Basic income almost sounds like a salami-slice for normalcy and rule of law in comparison.

First round of completely uncensored data from Give Directly Universal Basic Income RCT is released:
https://givedirectly.org/blog-post?id=1 ... 6713458127

What if they never learned to share. Maybe they got so incredibly rich by monetizing everything and ruthlessly eliminating the competition.

You can't really get rich just off of ruthlessness - even if you're a bank robber. There has to be at least some talent to go with it, otherwise it just amounts to being a putz or a bully - lots of those aren't rich.

I'm not sure if guaranteed income would cut it if it was dwarfed by living expenses.

It's pretty much a suggestion for the point in time where we start heading toward 10 to 15% unrecoverable unemployment and know that it's not recession based but the beginning of the end of the workforce as the means of distributing basic needs.

A lifetime basic wage would need to start out very low, more like a living supplement rather that something a person could live on in total, and it might be a terrible system for quite a while, but it'll still be better than other societal fallout that could happen if permanent unemployment starts climbing toward 25 or 30%.

The problem with "basic income" is that it enables everyone to have 10+ kids.

Poverty / scarcity of resources is what keeps the population down.

In the end, poor people will take the basic income money, and still live in same poverty, because it will be spent on more kids to feed and care for.

It's the same principal in the "Don't feed the X" signs ...

I don't think everybody wants 10 kids.

I have very little hope any sort of basic income being implemented, too much to lose on both sides of the aisle. By the time we need one, the ultrarich will have fled the country if not the planet. Basic income only applies to one country too, automation is going to effect the entire planet so what is going to happen the undeveloped third world? Automation will be the beginning of the biggest genocide in history.

Sure, some 5 and some like the Duggars -- 19 kids.

We could always ban automation, etc. Have a society like Paul's in Dune. So far, the robots aren't strong enough to protect themselves if we attack them.

you have quite the ironic username if you're comparing poor people to animals.

The alternative as far as I can tell is a lot worse.

It's such a disgusting comment. Given the chance I'd force LoveNotHate to wear it like a sign in public in order to get a sense for how vile it is.