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My dad says that in the next 20-30 years, there may not be much religious freedom for us anymore in the US. I don't know if it will happen, but my father is a very smart man; hopefully it doesn't happen, and I could enjoy the same religious freedoms that my ancestors here did.

Does any of this seem scarily familiar to anyone else, in the light of certain Western governments' actions and leanings since 9/11?

From http://www.sullivan-county.com/id2/index0.htm

Terrorist Next Door
By Daniel Pipes August 12, 2003

Howls of rage went up after the Joint Terrorism Task Force, guns drawn, arrested Maher Hawash in the parking lot of an Intel Corporation facility in March 2003 and placed him in solitary confinement. The protests intensified as prosecutors detained him without charges for over a month in an Oregon jail while they poured over the evidence.

Given Maher Mofeid "Mike" Hawash's biography, this all came as a particular shock, for he personified the American success story. A Palestinian born in Nablus in 1964 and reared in Kuwait, he arrived in the United States in 1984, earning degrees in electrical engineering at the University of Texas. He went on to work for Compaq in 1989 and became a U.S. citizen in 1990.

His career at Intel began in 1992, where he worked on video technologies. When his father fell ill, he got Intel to transfer him to its plant in Israel, where he lived for two years. He married Lisa Ryan in 1995 and fathered two children. In 1997 he published a well-received book on video graphic formats with the prestigious scientific press Addison-Wesley. Hawash had achieved much by 2000. He worked at one of the world's greatest companies, earned nearly $360,000 a year, had a circle of friends, and was admired for his volunteer activities.

But that same year, neighbors reported to the FBI, he became noticeably more devout. He grew a beard, wore Arab clothing, prayed five times a day, and regularly attended mosque. He also became noticeably less friendly. Further inquiry found that Hawash paid up his house mortgage (interest payments go against Islamic law) and donated over $10,000 to the Global Relief Foundation, an Islamic charity subsequently closed for financing terrorist groups. Early in 2001, he went on pilgrimage to Mecca. And "Middle Eastern males" were seen coming and going from his house.

Friends and co-workers condemned such information as "guilt by association." Nothing in Hawash's actions, they insisted, justified his incarceration as a material witness to terrorism, and they boisterously made their views known. They launched FreeMikeHawash.org and wrote letters to the editor. They set up a legal defense fund and staged protests on the streets of Portland, Oregon.

Hawash's former boss at Intel, Steven McGeady, became his media champion internationally, portraying Hawash as an average "Arab-American with a job and a family." McGeady dubbed the arrest "Alice in Wonderland meets Franz Kafka" and dismissed the charges against Hawash as "baseless" or "completely insane."

Supporters filled northwest newspapers with alarms. One professor portrayed Hawash's incarceration as "part of a consistent pattern of suppression of civil liberties." Columnists and letter writers compared the United States to a "Third World country," Orwell's "1984," Nazi Germany, or the Soviet Union. Militant Islamic groups like the Council on American-Islamic Relations saw in Hawash's arrest "serious damage" to the standing of American Muslims.

Hawash's high-powered career and supporters together turned him into the symbol of the pious Muslim victimized by a biased and overzealous justice system.

And then, on August 6, this whole illusionary edifice came crashing down: Hawash pleaded guilty to conspiring to help the Taliban. He also agreed to cooperate fully with the prosecution and waived his right to appeal his conviction and sentence. In return, the government dismissed the other counts against Hawash.

How did his supporters take this stunning news? A media search turns up not a single mea culpa. Instead, they responded with denial and silence. "I don't know if I feel betrayed. I'm not dwelling on that now," said one of his staunchest sympathizers. "I want to hear directly from him before I believe it," said another. At the August 6 hearing, reports the Oregonian newspaper, "the throngs of friends and supporters who publicly protested on Hawash's behalf at previous hearings" were noticeably absent. Militant Islamic lobby groups lost their voice.

In short, while Hawash confessed to his crime, his supporters refused to admit their mistakes. There are two lessons here. First, profiling can work. Alert neighbors reporting on militant Islamic-appearing activities brought Hawash to law enforcement's attention.

Second, sympathizers of terrorist suspects are entitled to express surprise and tell heartwarming stories about them. But shrill charges of racism, ignorant insistence on the suspects' innocence, and appalling comparisons to Nazi Germany impede the U.S. government's efforts to protect Americans.

i quite agree, assassin.

anyway, hasn't the bloke who knows about these things (sir cyril someone, burt, is it?) said that 90 day detention won't have a massive effect anyway?

Who? Just because some bloke called Cyril (or something) says so, it doesn't justify endangering the lives of innocent British civilians.

I think a lot of people still can't accept the fact that terrorists are not just common criminals.

Klytus, how would you like it if you were chucked in jail and were confined for 90 days without being told what you are charged with. If you can charge them with something, fine. If you can't, then the principle of innocent until proven guilty must prevail and they should not be interned.

Remember that 100 terrorist bombers, even 10,000 terrorist bombers cannot destroy a country. It is the society of that country that will destroy itself with draconian legislation like this one. I don't want to live in a country where my freedoms are restricted.

So, RobertN and Vetivert, do you think we should stick to the 14-day confinement period that we had before?

It seeks to create a raft of new offences including "glorifying" terrorism

Hazel Blears, the Home Office minister in charge of the bill, insisted that Lord Carlile's point was invalid, and said the legislation had been drawn up to be immune to Human Rights appeals.