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16 Jun 2017, 9:56 am

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There are two statements made here that I'd like to respond to because they seem confusing to me.

1. When you reach the age of reason, will you reject supernatural religion? I take this question to mean that some, most or none of us on WP have reached the age of reason.


Questions do not really mean anything. They are questions.

You would likely be correct that some, most or none of us on WP have reached the age of reason.

I would think that there are some for sure.

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2. The age of reason is the age at which children attain the use of reason and begin to have moral responsibility. Okay. As stated by someone on this thread, children attain the age of reason at 7.

Now, this begs the question - are there posters on WP who are less than 7 years old that have yet to reach the age of reason?



I would not put an age on when a mind can reason. Even an 18 month old, if not younger, can reason to a point.

The first time I saw my grandson use reason, he could not yet talk. In fact. his first word he invented himself and it sounded like "bah" because I had just played a joke on him. I could see his thinking right after that and when he reasoned it was a joke, he burst out laughing then played the joke back on me. Frankly, I was amazed.

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16 Jun 2017, 10:03 am

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When you reach the age of reason, will you reject supernatural religion?

Or will you seek a moral religion to replace the immoral one you now follow, if you happen to be Christian or Muslim?

Or will you let your faith hide the truth of the immorality of your God?

Martin Luther.
“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

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Will you ever stop beating your wife?


No.

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16 Jun 2017, 12:29 pm

GnosticBishop wrote:
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When you reach the age of reason, will you reject supernatural religion?

Or will you seek a moral religion to replace the immoral one you now follow, if you happen to be Christian or Muslim?

Or will you let your faith hide the truth of the immorality of your God?

Martin Luther.
“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

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Will you ever stop beating your wife?


No.

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OMG! He admits to beating his wife! lol!



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16 Jun 2017, 6:58 pm

My question's not being answered, so I'll try again. To wit:

"I would not put an age on when a mind can reason. Even an 18 month old, if not younger, can reason to a point."

Okay. Are you saying that some posters on WP, even though we're all older than children, have yet to reach the age of reason?


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16 Jun 2017, 9:31 pm

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I don't require a religion. What its founded upon is irrelevant.


Do unto others.

It is not irrelevant to all the victims they create.

What should you do, (overall), in terms of religion, if you are living by the Golden Rule?

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Seems that your education has been stifled.

You do of course realise where "Do unto others" comes from, don't you? Yes, that's right - "supernatural religion".


Seems that your education has been stifled. Reciprocity rules have been around since the beginning of life on this world. They are a part of our instinct and selfish gene.

Have a look at this link and recognize that that baby is using a reciprocity rule as that is the best rule to follow to survive. That is why we have a default position of cooperation instead of competition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIc-4h9RIvY

You can believe that some supernatural force put that rule in us but I prefer to think nature did.

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It seems that your "education has been stifled" as well, because that specific quote first appeared in the New Testament. Yes, I know about the 'reciprocity rule' that it embodies, but I wasn't talking about that. You quoted a text, a religious text, and yet at the same time didn't seem to notice it.


That rule, may well have been first found on a religious text, I can't know and neither can you, but we can know for sure that Christianity was not the first to use it as most former religions had a version of it 3 and 4 thousand years before Christianity reared it's immoral head and genocidal son murdering God.

There is almost nothing original in the bible. It like the Jewish myth are re-writes of older traditions.

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...and you've missed my entire point. The specific words - "Do unto others" - is first found in the Bible. When quoting like this, it's usually a good thing to acknowledge the source, even if you disagree with it, even if you actively despise it (as you seem to - why the anger?). Another thing. You cannot criticise the contents of a book, or the doctrines of a religion, and then use them to support your own position on something because it happens to be convenient. That's known as hypocrisy.



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16 Jun 2017, 9:46 pm

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What do you mean by the phrase "when you reach the age of reason"?

There was "THE Age of Reason" in history. Roughly 1750 to 1815. Also known as the "Enlightenment". The Age of Voltaire, John Locke, America's Founding Fathers (like Jefferson) etc.. An age of when reason was elevated to being of higher value than in previous centuries.

But you use the phrase in a strange way that indicates that you dont mean THAT "Age of Reason" (not a one time period of history) but seem to have conflated the phrase with something else (like "age of majority") to mean some kind of developmental phase everyone reaches when growing up, or something like that.

So...WTF are you talking about?


The age of reason is the age at which children attain the use of reason and begin to have moral responsibility.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_(canon_law)#Age_of_Reason

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What makes you think that none of us have yet reached that age? I'm 49. Do you think I've reached it yet? I reached my 'age of reason', according to your definition, when I was 7.


Where did I indicate in a general way that any here had not reached the age of reason?

That would be a judgement call and the O.P. asks a question and does not judge.

I judge after I get a reply so answer the question and then I will see what kind of reply I judge you to deserve.

Why are you upset at the question?

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I wasn't upset, but it seemed to me that you were suggesting in the original comment that started this discussion that no one here had yet reached that age, which I thought was really odd.


What was really odd was your reading of what I put and then putting your own spin on it, and not even recanting your comment when your own review confirmed that you had made an error.

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Spin? What on Earth are you talking about? I took your post the only way I can - LITERALLY! Your post title asks: "When You Reach the Age of Reason, Will You Reject the Supernatural?", which VERY strongly suggests that those it is addressed to have not done so yet (reached the age of reason, that is). It also does not automatically follow that those people who DO reach "the age of reason" reject the supernatural. Why should they? What materialists dirisively refer to as 'the supernatural' makes more sense - FAR more sense - than the patently absurd notion that, "In the beginning, there was nothing. Which exploded".

I mean, come on! You people (by "you people", I mean atheists, materialists and other such believers in the impossible) like to denigrate people who call themselves Christians, claiming they put their trust in something that just can't be trusted, and which is inaccurate, and so on, whilst openly admitting to agreeing with the likes of Lawrence Krauss ("nothing isn't nothing anymore, it's something", and "by nothing I don't mean nothing, I mean nothing" - yeah, sure, makes a lot of sense) and Mr. Stephen "philosophy is dead" Hawking. "Give us one free miracle, and we'll explain the rest", as someone once pointed out about the (rather poor) state of the underlying assumptions and philosophy that motivates modern-day science, the "free miracle" being the belief, based entirely upon blind faith, that material reality is all there is and it came from literally nothing.

No, even though I am by no means a Christian, if I had to choose between the miracle stories of the Bible and the miracle stories of modern cosmology, I would (gladly) select the former. They make far, far more sense.



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16 Jun 2017, 9:51 pm

redrobin62 wrote:
My question's not being answered, so I'll try again. To wit:

"I would not put an age on when a mind can reason. Even an 18 month old, if not younger, can reason to a point."

Okay. Are you saying that some posters on WP, even though we're all older than children, have yet to reach the age of reason?


That's how I interpreted it as well. Now he's trying to wiggle his way out of it, and trying to pin the blame on us, saying we are just "spinning" his words, which is an obvious load of crap.



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16 Jun 2017, 10:15 pm

Don't know... but I did crap in the woods once. Am I headed in the right direction?


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16 Jun 2017, 10:56 pm

ask the bear. ;)



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17 Jun 2017, 5:57 pm

When you yourself grow up, and "reach the age of reason" will you stop posting threads titled with rhetorical questions like "when you reach the age of reason will you stop believing in such and such?"?



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17 Jun 2017, 11:05 pm

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Don't know... but I did crap in the woods once. Am I headed in the right direction?


Yes, you're now Pope Techstep I. :lol:


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18 Jun 2017, 10:55 am

If we want to discuss logical fallacies, it should be said that your writing is full of subjective words.



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18 Jun 2017, 11:38 am

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Yes, you're now Pope Techstep I. :lol:

I could always lampoon/roleplay as a Stop Maturbation Now promoter.

"When you reach the age of child-creation, will you be one of those terrible self-rapists?! How do you ever climb the ladder to heaven with your hands full of penis!? Stop Masturbation Now!"


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techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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Yes, you're now Pope Techstep I. :lol:

I could always lampoon/roleplay as a Stop Maturbation Now promoter.

"When you reach the age of child-creation, will you be one of those terrible self-rapists?! How do you ever climb the ladder to heaven with your hands full of penis!? Stop Masturbation Now!"


I thought that's what the rungs on the ladder to heaven were made of?


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18 Jun 2017, 12:31 pm

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I thought that's what the rungs on the ladder to heaven were made of?


“Sir Julian Huxley, one of the worldʼs leading evolutionists, head of UNESCO, descendant of Thomas Huxley — Darwinʼs bulldog — said on a talk show, ‘I suppose the reason we leaped at The Origin of Species was because the idea of God interfered with our sexual mores.’ (Henry M. Morris, The Troubled Waters of Evolution, Creation-Life Publishers, 1974, p. 58).” — D. James Kennedy, Why I Believe, originally published 1980 (revised in 1999)

The rungs on the talkshow circuit.



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18 Jun 2017, 3:07 pm

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My question's not being answered, so I'll try again. To wit:

"I would not put an age on when a mind can reason. Even an 18 month old, if not younger, can reason to a point."

Okay. Are you saying that some posters on WP, even though we're all older than children, have yet to reach the age of reason?


No. All here can reason to a point.

Those who I seek to enlighten, --- to the fact that there is nothing supernatural in reality, --- are the ones who need to recognize they are not reasoning properly and in religious terms are bearing false witness.

They cannot possibly know a supernatural God and thus all that they say of God is a lie.

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