Why aren't atheists agnostic?

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I'm not paranoid at all, and please point out the illogic. I cannot trust my senses only in regard to any confrontations with an aleged diety or advanced being. Because my primative (by comparison) senses would be unable to properly catagorize what I would be seeing, or thought I was seeing. The whole point is that there is no certainty. That is my philisophical position. I am comfortable with that becuase I am uncomfortable with the idea that we could ever know for certain. Humanity even thinking it could know anything for certain has been folly time and time again.

So, not knowing anything for sure makes you comfortable, whereas knowing things would make you uncomfortable. I'm the opposite. Knowledge is my friend.

Well, I should mention that I recently listened to that Weird Al song "Everything You Know is Wrong"; the illogic I mentioned is: If you believe that, possibly, every single thing you've ever experienced, and thus believed, is dead wrong -- that thought, taken together with ALL its implications, would make most people freak out. Particularly when your life is finite, so you have no reason to believe you'll ever know anything for sure, or even close. You asked, if a deity appeared before you, and showed itself to be real, how would you know that space aliens weren't tricking you. Well, how do you know you're not being tricked by space aliens 24/7 since the day you were born, and always will be till the day you die? How do you know? (I'm seriously asking: What proved that to you?) On what basis do you reason that that's even probably not the case? Why, scientifically, is it even somewhat unlikely that everything you experience is a mirage, and that the truth is something you'll never know? (Of course, you can't assume you'll know after you die, either.)

Since your senses are untrustworthy, anything can be true, and you wouldn't have the slightest clue. There's a difference between standard, limited ignorance, which can be both comfortable and harmless, and infinite ignorance, which is not knowing even one tiny thing for sure, which is what you seem to be ascribing to yourself by your definitions. Since you can't be sure that you can trust your senses regarding fact "A" yet not fact "B", and since you also seem to see paradoxes everywhere in trying to reason anything at all regarding god, death, and eternity, what then comprises your sanity?

Actually, when I was a kid some religious people said that animals can't think.

During those days I read in a book about possibly reasoning in animals, there was an example of a lab rat that managed to get a piece of cheese on top, by pushing a small box to where the cheese were, then he got over it and grabbed the piece.

I did comment to one of the teachers about that, the possibly reasoning in animals, and the teacher just respond me quickly "No! animals don't think!" so I thought the response was because of their religion belief. That was at the time that I was already questioning what I was being thought about religion.

My point is that, animals can think, but not enough thinking to wonder about their existence and things like that, so there goes my answer to my own question, that is why they don't worship any god.

Well, I think animals know about God innately, but not on a concious level. That's just a guess. There's a Bible verse that says "He has set eternity in the hearts of men, yet they cannot fathom it." I wouldn't think animals have souls, but the subconcious sense of God could be written into their DNA somewhere. Another verse says animals follow His voice.

Last edited by Ragtime on 27 May 2007, 12:10 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Other animals aren't idiotic enough to believe in a god.

I would argue that they're not supercilious enough not to. For instance, animals don't hate, so is your hatred a "higher function", or, as you put it, "idiotic"?

Similar thing goes for little children, babies and small toddlers are considered pure because of their innocence, still, they don't believe in God and don't worship him, until they are being thought. There is not in their nature, is something imposed.

And quoting the Bible doesn't do much for people who don't believe in it.

You mean Flo is atheist?

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What hatred?

She isn't even aware of religion or 'gods'. Therefore he does not believe in a god. Just like me.

Umm, it wasn't meant to. I quoted verses to show why I have the theory I mentioned. Quoting the Bible shows those who don't believe in it why someone who believes in it might draw a certain conclusion from it.

Actually Idiotic sounded a bit funny sorry, I know it shouldn't, but at least is not aim to a person.
Harsh word actually.

Yes, and that always have been a problem

Predictable. Going the "plausible denial" route, huh?

Outrageous!

No. I just don't know what hatred you mean. Do you mean why do I hate religion? Why do I hate Christians? Why am I full of hate in general? What?

Huh?